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title: 11-14 Discussion: Leadership, Faith, and Personal Growth
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Speaker 1 00:00:04
i think you can leadership should be outside of an order chart because let's face it you know most managers are not leaders right whether whether it's manager or you know most if you just look at an org chart most people you know that that have people underneath them right don't know how.
Speaker 1 00:00:38
to lead them they just right right so you know i was sitting there with i had dinner with keith um from reconsider couple yeah he's like what's your issue with, interviewing you hold yourself really well you you know. I said, man, I just, if I could take control of the conversation a little bit, but I'm always trying to give them what they want. And so I let them run the conversation, and I need to get better at controlling the conversation.
Speaker 1 00:01:13
But they'll ask me a question that I wasn't prepared for, and I don't want to, you know, grab some stuff.
Speaker 1 00:01:46
You got it.
Speaker 2 00:02:14
quarter of the deck what suit do you have well or this is what we're asking right like i have.
Speaker 1 00:02:24
so you diamonds yeah they're diamonds and hearts you chose diamonds right right what's left over.
Speaker 2 00:02:30
right the issue is what's left over though there's three suits that i didn't choose.
Speaker 1 00:02:37
right we already yeah so we're we took those out right right so it's where yeah so of of those, remaining cards in the hearts right we've got number cards and we've got face right choose one, for cards okay and what do you have left there okay um face cards you've got your ace and your king and your jack what do you have there choose one of them okay no sorry.
Speaker 1 00:03:15
Depends on how you got it. But I defined it for you, right? So you have Ace-King in one group, and you have Queen-Jack in the other group. So which group do you choose. 
Speaker 2 00:03:31
Sorry, I read a text from Ashley.
Speaker 1 00:03:32
That's okay.
Speaker 2 00:03:33
What did you just ask. 
Speaker 1 00:03:36
So of the face cards, right, you've got two groups. The Ace and the King, and the Queen and the Jack. Pick one. Ace-King. Okay, and what do you have? Jack-Queen. Now of those two, the Jack-Queen. Jack. Okay, and what do you have left over? The Queen. What card is that? The Queen of Diamonds. No, Queen of Hearts. So the way it picks up its cards is Queen of Hearts.
Speaker 1 00:04:18
how you do that and he goes it's just guiding you to the right answer right just a few questions when you've decided to leave me right leave my past what do you mean i started big you know and then we just slowly worked our way there it's called discovered selling so what i do is.
Speaker 1 00:04:53
how i move david along by the nose right and it's true like he he takes over every single conversation and he steers it the way he wants it to go and i actually he hit me up about the stuff the warehouse. I learned it through a family and a partner.
Speaker 1 00:05:27
Working for them, I guide them through it. If I were doing safety training, it just kind of worked for me ever since. So I go into this thing, well, how do you structure your conversations with people? Obviously, you've got to be thought out well enough, you know. But how do you structure your conversations in such that you have the conversation you want to have, you know, while also not telling it?
Speaker 1 00:06:20
I'm thinking about you going, like, I think you can actually just kind of go, where are we at? It's like, what is the church stance on missions? We're going to the, you know, it's a very, like, non-painting question. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:06:42
No, and that's part of that. I went to have lunch with a couple of youth for a couple of weeks. But basically it was like, I'm so-and-so's family, I'm a Starbender, black folk kid, and I have the most diversity. The point isn't that I have a diversity.
Speaker 2 00:07:17
the airport and we have a different culture that they feel comfortable in and I'm not coming to you because you're the black guy on the other board I'm coming to you because you also and I, just like I want feedback I'm not I'm gonna ask you to pray for us pray with us you know if you feel compelled to be a part of what we're doing happy to happy but um and I was talking about.
Speaker 2 00:07:56
what church getting emotional I don't think he's I'm an emotional guy so I don't know but you know Larry reason getting emotional because like not because there's anything wrong with OCF, but the mission of the western evangelical church and jesus kept you know it's like and so but.
Speaker 2 00:08:29
there was a part of that right like what is and this is what i'm saying like what i what i can do well as a leader i see the problem i see a solution of course you can't be the guy that drives the course right um because i really don't care about the tardy care about getting hearts turned towards the goal if i'm stopping the conversation then yeah yeah go ahead you do care.
Speaker 1 00:09:08
about the charting right because you know, that the hearts won't change unless they get here, right? And you can be, I don't think it's that, if I can change your wording, you actually very much like the charting. You don't like the self-healing. You don't want to pilot. Right. You want to be visionary. You want to be the, like, I think you're, you see the 30,000-foot level,
Speaker 1 00:09:46
and you want to operate on the ground level.
Speaker 3 00:09:50
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 00:09:52
Does that make sense. 
Speaker 3 00:09:52
Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:09:53
Like, you don't like the in-between stuff. Like, you're very good at going, hey, bud, we're in this together, right, bud? Part of it is, like, right, like, I had a meeting this week where the, you know. 
Speaker 2 00:10:04
my supervisor was just like, hey, let's establish weekly, monthly. Like, let me, you talk, all right. it was just basically him going what do you want out here okay great like the structure and it's, like thanks we just broke down all the things that i wanted but i wasn't you know like and i'm trying.
Speaker 2 00:10:37
to think like why am i not great at the mid-range stuff and it's like because i've got two guys who are really good at you know at plot setting who every time i've been in a group project you know like you and dad like it's like i don't even factor into the plot setting because like i'm like all right just let me know where i'm going and i'll go and i could talk about, the long range stuff and the short range stuff but.
Speaker 2 00:11:13
If I do plant a church, I need somebody who can help me. Like, I need somebody in that partnership who's going to do that with me. And that's not you, though.
Speaker 1 00:11:28
What's funny is... It can never pay you back. Hey, you know, I would have a lead guitar, but it would have to be of my available time. And I would make, you know, so if you said, hey, you need to get a beer at 8 a.m. for a meeting, you know. Right. But, hey, you know, can I...
Speaker 1 00:11:59
But if you said, hey, Brayden, can I be the guy that just did that other guy did for you, too? Yeah. You know. Because a lot... You know, I think a lot of you, and even me, I struggle with this, is like, it's not that we can't do this, it's that we don't want to take the time to stop and write down the thoughts, and to plot the course on paper, we want to just go, and I'm trying to learn, like, even, like, I'm now in, like, six months now, just, like, starting to, even, like, here, I started this the other day, and I just kind of started plugging stuff away,
Speaker 1 00:12:58
you know, into an outline form, and I want to keep on coming back to that, and just keep on plugging stuff in, and then just kind of going, whoa. at some point in time what what do i think about god well it seems like i've broken it out things, right what do i think about witnessing right and because what i'm finding is is that you know um more and more your brain's going to adapt to whatever you tell it to adapt if you're.
Speaker 1 00:13:45
thinking if i let myself look at women more right even in passing my brain's going to think more about women right if i want to think about like why would all my mental energy went into my. right but yeah god didn't only assign me so i can't go over there the most you know so how do we.
Speaker 1 00:14:32
you know keep our how do we discipline right our minds in such a way that we're coming back to like well what's even for cory right like me me working for cory how do i do a good job for it right i'm not putting this type of stuff here right and because a lot of the times what you you feel a certain way and you can put it down on paper too i think you start looking at it like i'm you know and i really.
Speaker 1 00:15:10
Initially, it was going to be like, hey, here's my film area that we won't really talk about, right? But when I was writing it, all of a sudden, it was like, well, is that really what you want? Is this how you want it? If you could ask anything, what would you ask of him? Wouldn't it be cool if, like, what if he brought you on? You know, and you become his, like, his hand, you know? And you can mentor and learn stuff like that. And then you also, like, that door's not closing.
Speaker 1 00:15:42
He's going to die. He's 100 years old, literally, you know? And what if he could watch you every day? And so it's like, you know what I mean? But it wasn't until I, like, really started putting some energy into it instead of just crossing off. And I think that had I, if we can do that with each thing, like, understand that your brain. is really going to spend time, if you think about your active versus, you know, conscious versus subconscious, right?
Speaker 1 00:16:23
Your subconscious is going to be programmed by the amount of time spent, you know, and so that needs to be facilitated and I think even more so protected.
Speaker 2 00:16:45
Right, and that stuff, right, it doesn't matter as much anymore because I don't have much time. It's in the podcast, right, because it's like for 10, 5, you know, 10 minutes here, 5 minutes there, 15 minutes there. I don't listen to podcasts outside of driving.
Speaker 4 00:17:15
But you know what's funny. 
Speaker 2 00:17:17
Sorry, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 00:17:25
You know, I was listening to Kelly yesterday, and he was like, Jesus was so trenched with this song. You know, and I, like, there was, last week, I mean, I just turned it on, not for any reason at all. I didn't even know that I was so tense, and I was like, and it just, I walked here all my day. Yeah, like, you know what's funny? It's just, it's just coming to my head.
Speaker 2 00:17:54
For some reason, this morning, which is a regular rhythm, first thing I do, I pull out of the complex and play. So that the first thing he hears when we're on our way to the psalm, we pray the Lord's Prayer. When we pray a prayer, we'll recite a creed, and then we're perfect.
Speaker 2 00:18:27
The Apostles' Creed is the normal one, because it's the only one I've memorized.
Speaker 1 00:18:35
You're not going to hear condemnation from me.
Speaker 2 00:18:38
I got pulled over yesterday, not for right on time. Don't turn right until 7 at night, because I wasn't paying attention to the signs. They just happened to be, like, enforcing that day, and I've done it. Like, I've done it. You know, it's one of those things that you're in that intersection all the time, so you don't ever look, and then they put up a sign, and then two weeks later, they're like, gotcha. Son of a gun. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:19:09
You did get me.
Speaker 5 00:19:10
I'm, I mean, I did get distracted, but not, um, recent episodes from today, recent episodes, um, heck, man, this was a lot longer when I first did it, um, tellers, it was a lot longer.
Speaker 4 00:20:04
Experiences friendship and experiences lordship. Somebody says, oh yeah, how? Can I just give you one little exercise. 
Speaker 2 00:20:23
No, I can't listen. I can't hear you.
Speaker 1 00:20:27
No, I know. I know. Sorry.
Speaker 4 00:20:47
I hope you heard that. No, no, no. Here's what you do. Study your Bible passage, and then the 15 minutes begins. First thing you do for five, six, seven minutes at the most, ask the text two questions. What Lord are you telling me about you, and what Lord are you telling me about me? Then read the text through slowly. You've already studied it, right? Read the text through slowly, ask those two questions, and listen for his voice. After you've written a couple of the answers down, when you say, then pray those things. It's telling you about him. When that 15 minutes are up, then you can go to the playlist and open his mommy and daddy and do all that.
Speaker 4 00:21:22
Before that 15 minutes, you can do your Bible study. A lot of you are doing your Bible study and you're not experiencing his friendship and you're not experiencing his worship out of a realization of your sonship. Make sure you open up for 15 minutes. Listen to his word in that text and respond to it. Do it 15 minutes a day, but 30 days in a row. Go to Psalms or go to John if you really, so where do I even, and then come back and tell me what happens.
Speaker 2 00:21:53
Yeah, what's funny is Wynton got like a kneeler, like cushions. And so in my office, there's this like little cubby that I've got a wingback chair and we make it. Like this week, this week I just felt so under the gun. I just need to step up in these areas. You know, the funny thing was, I want you to do what you do, but that's something that you don't do well. Like, we need to take it off your hands. And I'm thinking, I can't do that well, so are they going to fire me?
Speaker 2 00:22:47
And so it was just a funny thing where it's like, Lord, I'm going into work this week. I just need your grace because I'm just not what they expected. They have not done what they asked for. And to get somebody to come in and say, you know what, we hired you to be a pastor. And if you can't pastor because you've got all this stuff you're trying to keep up with, you keep up with,
Speaker 2 00:23:23
how do I make it up? And so it was a funny kind of like the, like where you're going in like, I know I'm going to have this meeting with all these people and they're going to say, what's wrong with you? And then that meeting never materializes and this guy comes in and goes, let me walk with you. Like, let's set you up to do. And the recognition is, we never cast a vision for you. Like, you walked into chaos and, you know,
Speaker 2 00:23:56
like, and that was kind of like, when they pulled me out of admin, I was like, I failed. And he was like, yeah, but I hope you know that the reason we have like peace in our staff is because of you. Because you were the one that we put out there because we thought you could do it. And you did that. And this is really where my problem is. My problem with Sean in the workplace right now is everything that's quantifiable, I'm not executing.
Speaker 2 00:24:27
I'm not good at. Everything that's not quantifiable, great. I'm really good. You know, we did a worship night on Wednesday. We were just singing some songs and had some people up there share their testimonies. And then we were talking about, hey, what should we do next? And I was like, hey, we should have people share their testimonies with one another. And they're like, oh, how do we do that? Like, what if we set that up? Somebody needs to operate out of 1 Peter 3.15, right?
Speaker 2 00:24:60
Like, always have them prepared to defense for the hope that's in you, right? And it's, again, like the guy. well sounds like you're volunteering it was like i did i didn't want to be the guy on stage right like yeah i don't want to ask to be honest and it went up and took five minutes and just like you know it's funny because you beforehand our av guy was like hey are you all good you know do you need anything it's like i got five things in my head no idea how they're gonna come out.
Speaker 2 00:25:30
i came back down and everybody that was the like like the way you said that the way you set that up and even our worship leader who like brought the house down with her test something happened when you walked into the mic like i felt like an anointing happened i was like that's funny because i walked up going like let's see how this goes and um but it's this sense of right like but i did get to speak out of my heart of like i started with the keller quote of like when you.
Speaker 2 00:26:03
preach the gospel to in such a way that even if they don't believe it they hope it's true, It's really good. How do we do that? You know, and I shared the story about, like, one of my priests is seeing Ashley and going, well, what's going on there? What do you mean? She's like, oh, she looks at you funny. Oh, she loves me. And then it's like, and it's dawning on me in that moment that this person doesn't know what Christian love looks like in a marriage. And she just saw it in my wife's eyes towards me.
Speaker 2 00:26:37
And so it's like, in that moment, right, I had the opportunity to tell this girl, that's the love of Jesus.
Speaker 3 00:26:46
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:26:46
Right? So the hope that's in me is the love that he's cultivated in me and my marriage. Like, when people see that, they know it. They know it's something different. And what we have to offer the world is Jesus inside of us. And so it's just this fun moment of, like, it's really. It's really interesting because they keep me off stage a lot, just I think to keep me humble, in a good way, right? But when I go up there, people are like, I want more of that, and that's a good place to be in.
Speaker 2 00:27:19
But it also means that most of my job is not coming out of my communication of theology, right? So when I'm coming back, I'm like, what are you doing well here? The funny thing is, is my intangible, is that I come in every day when I notice that somebody's somewhere else. Like, are you good?
Speaker 2 00:27:52
They're like, ah, this and this and this. And then we end up coming somewhere to Jesus. It's like, okay, like, let's go, right? And, and so that's the funny part of like, what's my role in the organization? Like, I'm a cheerleader, man. And, and that's not in my job description, but it's one of those things of like, gosh, what are we going to do with this guy? Cause like, he kind of wastes his time talking to people, but also it's his talking to people.
Speaker 2 00:28:27
that gives us a harmonious organization.
Speaker 1 00:28:30
You're creating culture.
Speaker 2 00:28:31
Right.
Speaker 1 00:28:32
Is what you're doing.
Speaker 2 00:28:33
Right.
Speaker 1 00:28:33
And the culture protects.
Speaker 2 00:28:36
Right.
Speaker 1 00:28:37
So the culture can increase the benefits of the process. They can protect the process. They can, you know, um, but, but the process can't be properly evaluated without proper culture.
Speaker 2 00:28:52
Right.
Speaker 1 00:28:53
Um, can't be properly maintained without proper culture. So I get the same. Why are you talking so much? But, um. i want to just share um it's okay let me start first again we were raised and all i know is i will not fail right so we are deathly afraid of failure and um letting others down is really.
Speaker 1 00:29:26
money okay like that's the component of that really gets me um so but we ought not operate in fear so you're good we can call it i don't know get a couple more minutes yeah um tell me when.
Speaker 1 00:30:08
So, you know, you going to preach and going, I don't know, what was singing in my head was, don't worry what you're going to say when you go up before rulers and authorities, you know, the spirit will come upon you, you know, so not only that, but like, you say what you do is intangible and therefore can't be measured, but the reality is that it can be measured by more or less, right? Are we more happy or less happy?
Speaker 1 00:30:44
We have more, you know, what are the issues? I think if you can identify like, hey, we didn't have peace in the office. Okay, is the office more peaceful or less peaceful now? Is it the same, right? I haven't noticed a change. Okay, well, then we're at the same, right? So I think it's important to realize that those things can be measured just to your words. you're right it's not quantifiable but it still could be measured right and you can you can manage what you can measure you can't manage what you can't measure right right now you know it's.
Speaker 1 00:31:19
obviously it's it's um subjective but that is what it is um i i want to shift so i'm going to go to. higher wired but before i go there i want to shift to um i want to your supervisor whoever ever saying if you're not good at it we need to put somebody else like that's dangerous yeah.
Speaker 1 00:31:56
not exactly that way but yeah sure but um it's dangerous because moses wasn't, right like like i wasn't good i couldn't be the manager i was today if i stayed away from the things that i wasn't good at right i think that there's certain things that certain people like i will never i hope to be but i i don't think i'll ever be as sensitive as you are you know like to people's feelings um and so those things you you probably don't want me being in your.
Speaker 1 00:32:30
position right like not until the lord changes how i roll on that kind of stuff right sure and and we're not supposed to be the same people but my point is is that there's also many things that we should step into and attempt to accomplish that are above ourselves yeah right that we're uncomfortable with and that we don't think we can do because i think that that's where that's where the lord is most glorified where we where we rest in him going i don't know yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 00:33:04
I think the way that that should have sounded was, let me provide you some cover while we get you up to speed.
Speaker 5 00:33:11
Okay.
Speaker 2 00:33:12
But when we're talking about Moses, and Moses says, I can't speak. He says, don't worry. Aaron's there for you.
Speaker 1 00:33:21
Right.
Speaker 2 00:33:23
But Moses ended up doing a lot of speaking.
Speaker 1 00:33:27
Right.
Speaker 2 00:33:30
Or Aaron did all the speaking.
Speaker 1 00:33:34
Most humble man of my book. Right? Yeah. And then lastly, I think you've heard my analogy of how we're wired, you know, wired a certain way. Ash did a speech to a class, one of the kids on Ben's team.
Speaker 3 00:33:53
Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:33:55
Do you know about it. 
Speaker 3 00:33:56
No.
Speaker 1 00:33:57
Okay. And. And so, I was trying to say, like, she goes, well, I just wanted to tell him to be kind. I'm like, well, why? You know, and she's like, there's something about kindness. And so I went into, like, well, when you're, God wired us a certain way, and, you know, when, when we're, and she's like, I don't, you know, you and I have talked about this, so I don't need to go down that, right? And I'm like, babe, let me say it differently.
Speaker 1 00:34:28
When I talk about wiring, I probably need to change my phrasing, because I'm actually not thinking of electrical wire. I'm thinking of piano wire. And so, if you open up a piano, right, and, and you deliver a C, the C will, you know, will hum, right? And that's what happens inside of people when they feel love. Like, when they see what's right.
Speaker 1 00:35:00
Something, when they do the right thing, when we align ourselves with God, there's something in us that starts singing. When you deliver something, I think you have a real feel, like you know how to get people's hearts, you know how to get those chords humming.
Speaker 1 00:35:31
You don't know that you know it, but you're connected to it, I think.
Speaker 2 00:35:36
Yeah, no, but I'll tell you what, when I do talk to people who are good at stone-faced, like, like, like...
Speaker 1 00:35:50
But think about what we're doing also, right? I mean, God's not saying like, hey, go convince everybody. God's saying, go love everybody.
Speaker 3 00:35:58
Right.
Speaker 1 00:35:59
And by the way, I'm helping you to love everybody by delivering suffering to you, you know. 
Speaker 3 00:36:04
Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:36:05
And while you're doing that and while you're responding in love, I'm also making you into a better version, right? And so when people see this love, when they expected the absence of it, they go, like, that's the draw, right? That's when they start singing, right? That's when their wiring starts, their cords start being strung, right?
Speaker 1 00:36:36
But going back to what we said earlier, right? Your conscious, your conscience, no, conscious will drive your subconscious.
Speaker 2 00:36:49
Right.
Speaker 1 00:36:52
Nobody, nobody goes and says, I mean, we've all experienced, but it's not real when you say something and they go, right, right. And he said, oh, I saw that thing. That was similar to what Sean was talking about, right? Something like there's no good conversion that, I mean, I think Billy Graham was, I don't want to get us on a tangent. Billy Graham had the spirit of God working in him, right? I got no way to prove this.
Speaker 1 00:37:26
But when, when he was converting all of these people, it was, it was real, right? Not a hundred percent, but it was, it was real. Yeah. And then we said, Billy Graham's got something. Let's do that. Say the prayer, guys. Say the prayer. And the spirit wasn't with that guy. Right. Right. You know? Right. And we've convinced an entire, what, three generations. Yeah. You know, entire country of this is how to become a Christian.
Speaker 2 00:37:57
I would have jumped to 14 or somewhere. In the name of Paul's God. Right. When the demon says, I know Jesus. I've heard of Paul. But who are you? You've done it all out of this. In the name of Billy Graham's process.
Speaker 1 00:38:24
His formula.
Speaker 2 00:38:28
This is what I was told to the guy. What I was told to the guy yesterday. What's it called? Why would people? The gospel. The gospel proclamation. If it's not connected to brotherhood, it's not. That's the message of the gospel. It's not that Jesus saves you. Jesus saves you.
Speaker 2 00:39:01
to something. He saves you for something. He saves you into something. We have a flat gospel and God has given us a full gospel where Jesus can write us a message in a future, in a dream, and we can live in it. It's not easy. And that's what we miss. And I'm not satisfied with the point. This is the point that we're talking about. I'm not satisfied in this world. Just show up and sing some songs, listen to me talk to.
Speaker 2 00:39:32
you for 20 minutes, and then just try not to sin. Yeah. Go out and do better. Right? Like, we've been, that's what we've been doing for three generations. Mm-hmm. Bullshit. Um, and right, I mean, that's, that's what, that's what Paul's saying. It's, I count it all as loss, right? It's scubala. It's, it's refuse. Right.
Speaker 1 00:39:57
When he, first Corinthians, he's going like, and it changed for me today.
Speaker 3 00:40:01
Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:40:02
Today. Right. It's like, we don't have a lot of time. Let's get going. Right. Don't get married. We don't have, you're going to be focused on that. I need to focus on here. We don't have, let's sign the short. And I think everybody, including myself read, we don't have a lot of time. Like, is he coming back soon? No, I'm misunderstanding in comparison to, to the entire timeline of the world.
Speaker 1 00:40:33
Right. Yeah. Stop wasting, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:40:43
And, yeah, like, my marriage is a beautiful thing. My son is a beautiful child. I wouldn't change it. But I got half as effective, and now I'm 10% as effective as I was. I mean, but my family tells the story of the faithfulness of God.
Speaker 1 00:41:05
But let me, you're absolutely right. There's no but here. Let me push you on a little bit. Why? So there's love is an action, and love is a feeling. And I think I can say this. You're going to feel wrong, but I think if you examine your feelings when I say this, find more than you love your wife as a feeling, because it's like you love your son way more.
Speaker 2 00:41:43
mm-hmm, We spend a lot more of our time on him.
Speaker 1 00:41:52
Right, okay, so and I'm not calling you out Why don't we love, Especially right you're better at this than I am. Why don't I love more people? I don't do jack for them, right? I don't love that. I don't love them in action. Therefore. I don't love them any emotion, right? Right, you know, I only love the people that I help right and I don't avail myself to.
Speaker 1 00:42:24
Love helping enough people therefore love enough people therefore, you know.
Speaker 2 00:42:28
But but this this is just the the other part of it It's like I got four guys in my discipleship group if tomorrow I said hey, we're planning a church in Westchester All four of those guys would say we're with you. Mm-hmm. They're not with me because I've sold him a vision There was because they're with me, because they say i love and i trust you you know and i'm willing to like we're willing to die for one another so so yeah you what you believe i believe we're going to go do this um because we've aligned our hearts but we've been actively loving one another yeah and this is exactly right.
Speaker 2 00:43:03
so this is exactly and i think you need to figure out how to put the words to it why why i want to because we need to be busy loving one another and we can't if i'm in westchester you're right you.
Speaker 1 00:43:20
have to live next to it that's why we left grace right right but no by the way i've done a terrible job since then but you know church-wise you don't you don't need to yeah that that's i we've joined a live group now we're working on that now right so right.
Speaker 2 00:43:40
but i need to get going you need to get going um we need to see each other more often it doesn't.
Speaker 1 00:43:48
need to be this either no no my point is is that you know well let me maybe i'm assuming are we talking doing this more often having these conversations more often because if so we can accomplish that via zoom if we're talking like i want to get your your boy in front of my voice.
Speaker 2 00:44:07
yeah you know all of it like yeah all of it but i think right like we just lack so much family life and that's such an important yeah component of value i'll be honest with you too i'm you know.
Speaker 1 00:44:26
one thing that's got me thinking a lot lately and i'm you know i'm probably already pregnant but um. have I created a world of club soccer? So I think I'm talking myself out of this idea as I'm saying it to you because I have an alternative to that. But where I'm so busy that I'm not available to all these,
Speaker 1 00:45:02
the flip side is like, well then you should be loving on those people, you know? Because if you're not loving on them, then who is? And yet I'll spend that time in my truck working and give them 20 minutes or something like that. We shouldn't go too far down that road.
Speaker 2 00:45:22
Right, right, right. Right, because if the reason why your sons do soccer is not just that you love it, they should love it, right? That's what instructs it, I think, in the front.
Speaker 1 00:45:34
That's what started it.
Speaker 2 00:45:35
But when you looked around, that one time you were like, Lord, why am I even doing this? And he was like, they're why you're doing it. and you're like oh reorient and now you say i do it so that i'm around these people then yeah you should be around them right and and that's where like even looking at the way that we do church has to be right my buddy justin you got three kids in lacrosse um how are we how are we helping you.
Speaker 2 00:46:10
minister to those families good call right like should we be having dinner every other friday that you invite those parents into like this potluck right but who's asking those questions.
Speaker 1 00:46:28
right i mean you're obviously doing that right now right now right but and that's the thing is again you know, how do we lead without being the leader you know like even in my life group right, i'm not the leader but right i'm but i'm usually like there's a point you know ashley i was funny she's like it's funny when you want when you have something nobody sees it but i see it when you have something to say you know and because it's like because you're missing the point.
Speaker 1 00:47:03
and how you implement it your life this is what it looks like right and i usually get this oh you, know of course i the lord has spent the last seven years i can understand this i i say that in a like i would not have the understanding i have right now if if i stayed on that track.
Speaker 2 00:47:35
He gave you a lot of humility, right. 
Speaker 1 00:47:38
And I needed it, right? I'm still more arrogant than most people in this world. I'm joking. No, but yeah.
Speaker 2 00:47:48
But yeah, like, so yeah, something to think about is just like how can we proactively, just organize time where it's like, I don't know what we're doing, but in three weeks.
Speaker 1 00:48:01
Well, and that's why if it gets on the calendar, you know, I told Shane Beck, hey, pick a date three months out from now on his birthday.
Speaker 2 00:48:12
Right.
Speaker 1 00:48:13
And I gave him, I said somewhere in February, he's like, dude, that's like three months from now. I'm like, yeah, put it on the calendar. Pick a date. And it's like, once in a while, he's like, I totally agree with you. But then he never responded.
Speaker 2 00:48:24
Well, that's the part, right. 
Speaker 1 00:48:26
But what I'm saying is like, let's. you know, let's put a calendar out, you know, and let's, let's commit to a date. Yeah. Um, and it's not, it's not a hundred percent, but maybe it's 80. Right. Right. But.
Speaker 2 00:48:45
even if we say, Hey, we're going to have quarterly dates that your family and my family are doing something together. Well, that just ups our yearly total. Doubles probably. Yeah. I mean. 
Speaker 1 00:49:04
actually, I don't think short of us coming to your house to see Augustine, I haven't seen Ashley. There's something she came to, but yeah, maybe it was the birthday. It was, uh, yeah, it was Maddie's birthday. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And I'm not trying to know. Right. It's gotta be. When you and I go, hey, let's hang out this weekend. Hey, babe, you want to come? Like, both of us have a 50-50 shot at that, right. 
Speaker 2 00:49:37
Right. Then the cost is higher.
Speaker 1 00:49:41
Right, but if we can plan it, right? So why don't we do this, and then we can go. We both will talk to our wives about committing to quarterly.
Speaker 2 00:49:55
Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:49:55
And then we'll put them down.
Speaker 2 00:49:57
Yeah. Yeah, because we have our family calendar. But the new roaster comes on Monday, and it's, like, once I can get the recipe.
Speaker 2 00:50:28
it's like 40,000 later.
Speaker 1 00:50:32
I mean, one of the next times we hang out, I need you to teach me. Think my temperature's off right now because I need to clean. But it's like, I don't, I very rarely produce what you do. Sure. Right? But I mean, here's what Sean does,
Speaker 1 00:51:03
and here's average, right. 
Speaker 2 00:51:08
Right.
Speaker 1 00:51:09
And it's not like I operate in here. It's either like average, worse than average, or what Sean does every, every, you know, once a year. Like, you know what I mean? Like, and it's like, I don't, I realize that yes, it can be temperature, it can be grind, could be but as I change the grind factor and go like oh it's super bitter and then I go like super, coarse right it's like I'm still getting the bitter taste okay so much more temperature you.
Speaker 1 00:51:40
know and then now I gotta find my way back to the right grind size you know but I I don't think and my palate is nowhere near like I you Corey Brian you guys all have a much much better palate than I do yeah.
Speaker 3 01:11:05
BOOM.
Speaker 1 01:12:12
Sounds good, period. Do you want me to check in in the front first or just go straight to the side. 
Speaker 5 01:13:16
from Felix that's okay I told the guard already.
Speaker 3 01:14:55
Hi, you've reached Ashley and Ecclesiastes.
Speaker 6 01:15:04
Good morning, Brayden. How you doing? This is Sean Ramirez with Herkin Associates. Hey, give me a call back when you ever get a chance so I can discuss the warehouse slash operations manager role that I have there in the greater L.A. basin. Give me a call back either at my office at 480-348-0886. Extension 330 and or you can reach me on my cell phone at 719-338-6512. I look forward to hearing back from you and have a great morning. Talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 01:16:51
Bills, those who build it, labor in vain. The Lord watches over the city. Watchman stays awake in vain. It is in vain.
Speaker 7 01:17:23
That's why the humble lay to eat. Thank just for he gives to his beloved. She will go. Those who build labor in vain.
Speaker 7 01:18:01
Alas, the watch is over the sea, The watchman stays awake in vain. Behold, children of the heritage of the Lord The fruit of the world, a reward Who like heroes in the name of the warrior.
Speaker 7 01:18:37
Are the children of you. Those who build in labor and mess the Lord, Watches over the city.
Speaker 7 01:19:09
The watchman stays awake In bed He shall not be put to shame, When he speaks with his enemies, And again, Ooh.
Speaker 7 01:19:56
It's the Super. Labor. Watches All The, Ass. Man. Eat It.
Speaker 7 01:20:28
It's the. Super Labor, Watches All Man Eat.
Speaker 3 01:20:57
Thank you.

[AI_SUMMARY]
Leadership is distinct from management, emphasizing the importance of guiding conversations and creating culture within teams. Different leadership styles exist, and personal growth involves integrating faith into daily life and community. The conversation critiques modern church practices, advocating for a fuller understanding of the gospel that emphasizes love and community. Personal reflections highlight the balance between family and mission, the importance of spiritual discipline, and practical challenges like community engagement and personal effectiveness.