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title: 02-20 Briefing: Decision-Making Under Pressure across Construction, Geopolitics, Agentic AI, and Family Systems
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Speaker 1 00:01:26
He.
Speaker 2 00:06:56
Okay.
Speaker 3 00:07:36
Oh, You know what uh Renee, I've got a couple uh waters in my truck. Um just put them off to the side or whatnot.
Speaker 4 00:07:44
So pressure washer you're gonna take that out too or no?
Speaker 3 00:07:46
No because that one's brand new pump it's already leaking. They turned it on and it just started spraying like mad and so. 
Speaker 3 00:07:58
Thank you. Keep one of them for me. There's three in there, so take two.
Speaker 5 00:08:24
Two Inches, fifteen fifty. The float or the finish is higher. Float. Float. The float?
Speaker 3 00:08:30
All of those are floats.
Speaker 5 00:08:31
Okay, okay, okay. Here the line is here, not a float here?
Speaker 3 00:08:38
No. Yeah this this line right here is the string line. Yeah I can mark it still, but that's right here. So with a level right. So basically. So when you look at this, it's two and five sixteenths.
Speaker 5 00:09:03
Oh okay okay,
Speaker 3 00:09:04
Right? It's much or menos okay? No. 
Speaker 5 00:09:07
One inch and three quarters no.
Speaker 3 00:09:09
No so.
Speaker 5 00:09:12
Okay so two inches.
Speaker 3 00:09:15
Right so can you show a metric?
Speaker 3 00:09:24
Fifteen sixteen right.
Speaker 3 00:09:49
Right, So. What is this one and three quarters?
Speaker 3 00:09:56
So, two and five sixteenths, fifteen sixteenths. Yes. Mas o menos.
Speaker 5 00:10:09
One and. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:10:15
So this should actually be. I think when when we do this.
Speaker 3 00:10:37
Okay, So Fifteen sixteen. Here, let me go three. I think that's that. Okay. So right. 
Speaker 5 00:10:49
There. Right? Okay,
Speaker 3 00:10:56
One and three sixteen.
Speaker 3 00:11:00
One and a thirty second.
Speaker 5 00:11:08
It's I. 
Speaker 3 00:11:15
Think it's because of this.
Speaker 5 00:11:27
Recorded. 
Speaker 3 00:11:57
So all of the measurements are from here. Here to here, here to there. So that way you can just mark it here if you want. Okay, yeah. Right?
Speaker 5 00:12:08
Yeah, yeah. Is that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:12:52
Well, No. Okay, so.
Speaker 5 00:12:55
And the other side?
Speaker 3 00:13:25
Okay.
Speaker 3 00:13:55
Qua rter to there. And then here I don't know why that's I don't know what happened there. So I'll fix that. Oh okay,
Speaker 5 00:14:17
That's wrong right there. Okay. So the manual here is one page in eight pages, not right.
Speaker 3 00:14:31
Yeah, And then you got two feet in there. Oh, I chopped off the other one. So, so right now you have sixty- two inches all the way down? It's the high point, sixty- two? Sixty- two inches? Yeah, from here to there. So we're only going to blow it like three eighths. So.
Speaker 5 00:15:05
Yeah. Five eighths and one inch. Yes, five eight, five eight, yeah, five eight. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:15:18
Stay here. So I don't know what happened here. But I'll I'll send you an updated one for that one. Because it was right here, but this one so so yeah so this one should be two. So, one feet. One feet five eighths. So for here is three feet five eighths. Right because that's two feet. So, one feet five eighths plus two feet three feet five. 
Speaker 5 00:15:56
That's why I try to give two.
Speaker 3 00:16:27
I I prefer because once you finish this. We can. Right, but this one, this one. Because I think this one maybe is for you. You know so we can check. But this one, this one, that one, that one. Right? At all? You know no I, you know, If you have nothing to do, okay. Okay, you know, but I want these first.
Speaker 5 00:17:01
Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 00:17:03
So that way Brandon can float with them and show them. Here's how we float. Yeah,
Speaker 5 00:17:09
Let's just let's do the measurement too. Let me get it on stream it You can do a stream one Yes. 
Speaker 3 00:17:24
You want to put up another one of those?
Speaker 3 00:17:43
So They can float here on Monday, and we can do a membrane thing there.
Speaker 3 00:17:58
Maybe the membrane see here here and there, what. 
Speaker 5 00:18:09
Else? Yeah, there's much as close. 
Speaker 3 00:18:14
As yeah, perfect. And if you when it's drying right when it's drying. They can flow here. Right? It's wet. You know, see the interest? So maybe here then. Right? So right here. So maybe we do this one first. Putting metal there and then one pass, right?
Speaker 3 00:18:57
And then this will be ready for M 1. Yeah, we need M 1. M 1 and seven, yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:19:07
Okay. Okay.
Speaker 3 00:19:17
Thank you.
Speaker 3 00:19:42
Renee. Renee. Hey. Have a good weekend. Alright, take it easy.
Speaker 3 00:21:29
Have A good weekend. You're working the whole weekend though, huh? You know, I could never find a guy like you. When when I used to run a twenty four seven plant, I could never find somebody that was willing to work Saturday Sunday. You know, I actually don't like that. Yeah. You do what you gotta do. Yeah. All right, we out for you Monday? Yeah Sounds good. 
Speaker 2 00:22:03
Alright man, thanks.
Speaker 6 00:24:48
Daddy's tired. My wife whispers it to the kids every night. They know what it means. It's code for, be careful. My son stood over his sister with clenched fists and screamed," What is wrong with you?" My voice, my tone,
Speaker 7 00:25:03
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Speaker 7 00:25:20
Including the Chinese food that I don't get to eat on Ash Wednesday. Uh, my good friend, uh, You know, who saw George Floyd was that you got to get Carl Reiner's book? It's going to be something else. Uh, it will not disappoint. When you torch a book right down to the blurb. I mean even put down the blurbs. That's a thorough deconstruction of a book. Always good to talk about Matt Stoller, who is getting hammered going with some getting hammered for the latest updates on his new comics and all things Beltway, including the Chinese food that I don't get to eat on Ash Wednesday. If they can remember that one day Welcome back in our time, do your act I do recommend The Ghost Map for everyone wants to learn about cholera and how it can spread when human waste mixes with water supply, especially if you're in the District of Columbia. Uh The market today was all down and bringing this to you because Andrewandtodd dot com Triple A Triple A 117 2 great sponsors. Maybe a little bit higher. I don't know, the wizardry that Andrew and her our allies are us. In the meantime, you can still buy your house and you can get pre qualified. You can get a letter that says they're approved for a loan up to X hundred thousand dollars at Andrewintodd dot com. Let me also tell you about Consumer Cellular, another great sponsor of the program. You can have savings and the same great service as any of the other big cellular companies provide because they use those same towers and just charge charge you less. The number for Consumer Cellular is one eight hundred four, one one, forty four, fifty, one eight hundred four, one one, forty four, fifty two, Number one in network coverage, number one in customer satisfaction according to ACSI. You'll be working with actual live human beings based here in the United States to make the switch.
Speaker 7 00:26:18
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Speaker 7 00:26:49
Or go to their website. They started back in nineteen ninety five. Probably ten days. Probably ten days, Josh, our joint editor in chief of Situation Insider, how do you interpret probably ten days? Josh: Well, I have the same analysis that we've been talking about for the last several weeks, Which is that Trump would like to make a deal. 
Speaker 8 00:27:06
With Iran to give up its ballistic missiles, not continue building its nuclear facilities and prevent all of its activities overseas. Iran has not indicated this at the diplomatic meeting studio, but nowhere, Iran has not put anything on the table. The Wall Street Journal just came out with a breaking news report that, Trump seems to be thinking about a very limited strike against Iran as a means to try to get them back to the bargaining table, actually make concessions, show that he's serious about a more extended military engagement. But, my read of Trump is that he would really like to make a deal with the Iranians, As has been theirideology for decades of the Ayatollah belief in getting another nuclear program and their rogue regimes and their rogue activities in the region. And uh that's necessarily where Trump stands. So we'll see where things go. I was I guess I'll show you that I was sort of skeptical that Trump would go ahead with military action.
Speaker 7 00:27:36
I don't think he wants to; I think he'd prefer diplomacy, but given Iranian transgressions we may actually see a prospective military action now. Now Josh, I've got The Wall Street Journal story in front of me on the desktop:" T rump weighs initial limited strike to force Iran into nuclear deal." Begins President Trump is weighing an initial military strike on Iran to force get to meet his demands for a nuclear deal. A first step that would be designed to pressure Tehran to an agreement but fall short of a full scale attack that could inspire a major retaliation. The opening assault, which if authorized could come within days, would target key military or government sites, people familiar with the matter said. If Iran still refused to comply with Trump's directives, Plans its nuclear enrichment, the US would respond with a broad campaign of regime facilities potentially aimed at toppling. The Tehran regime. First of all, that's really ambiguous sourcing. It's not senior administration well informed officials it's people familiar. That's like the worst sourcing isn't it Josh?
Speaker 9 00:28:08
It is. I was amused earlier in the week when there was an initial readout from an unnamed U.S. Official of the talks with the Iranians in Geneva that they seemed to go well, and turned out they were a disaster. The Iranians didn't agree to anything, So I always am cautious about leaping into any great conclusions based on one unnamed source, especially in this White House's lack of views on foreign policy. So I think that's extra significant in this case. But look, I do think you laid it out on the show? So with such detail too, but did the scope of the buildup over the last month into the Middle East? And to Gulf suggests that you're getting, this is Trump's not playing around, and he is very committed to at least be options.
Speaker 7 00:28:31
Limited first strike. And Josh, again, I'm not crediting this report, but let's assume for the sake of argument that there's some truth to it. It would be a very bad idea to do a limited strike and give Iran the opportunity to let go with a fusillade as opposed to a debilitating major first strike to take out all their missile capacity if we could. I mean, I'm not I'm not a general. I've never served in the military. I read spy thrillers and i thought novels, but that just seems to me like it'd be really bad choice. What do you think? Well, I i think, perhaps worse option B that you kind of have this symbolic kind of break that's staged, go back at the parking table and hope they get anything more out of it than we ever had kind of as they say. So you know, it's not you know what they're going for options. But certainly there is a lot of symbolic um.
Speaker 8 00:28:58
So, I could be that he may not do much at all. It'd be great or anything if it was really something about the U. S. in Syria. So, yeah, I do think the worry is that Trump doesn't want to go to war.;.
Speaker 9 00:29:05
He's trying to figure out, you know, a way out, and Iran is not giving him that they're not seeing anything. So, You know, on one hand,
Speaker 7 00:29:10
It looks like he's prepared to go to war with Iran. On the other hand, it does seem there's some indecisiveness from President Assad against something. Well again, I question, whether or not he's just not doing this strategic confusion dance again, but I do think a pin strike or a symbolic strike is the worst idea I've seen because of what Khamenei has said, and his generals have said, which is massive retaliation for any kind of strike. That means Israel gets every ballistic missile they can get off in round one, right? That could be the case and I think. This is not something you'll play from the military.
Speaker 9 00:29:29
You go and have a mission, Whether it's to take out nuclear facilities as we did in the full day war, Whether it's to get rid of some ballistic missile, they've been building up against other rogue countries, whether it's to attack IRGC because they've been slaughtering Iranians billions. I think the president would be well advised to speak in front of the country and actually lay out the mission and goals why we're building up our military personnel like that. But you know, I think that that's what needs to happen. Look, Trump has been good as you said about kind of being coy about his intentions on some of these good things.
Speaker 7 00:29:50
But I do think that clarity on the mission and what are goals would be helpful at least for American public support.
Speaker 7 00:30:23
There's a point, whatever you want to read, You can go and find and read actually somewhere uh because nobody knows nothing except Donald Trump and maybe President Biden. Josh Rushhour column on Axios. Josh Rushhour following in the next segment of today's Hugh Hewitt show.
Speaker 6 00:30:34
You have to see this because it looks like witchcraft.
Speaker 7 00:30:38
Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. Not only President Trump had a check- in review on how he spoke at the Board of Peace today, Vice President Vance was pretty funny coming with three president,
Speaker 8 00:30:43
Very much for your leadership, also for the kind words about me personally. I knew exactly what I wanted to say. But then after the president said that I was so smart and that I didn't want to repeat our congresswoman who froze for 20 seconds over Munich. Now I'm tempted, sir. Just freeze for 20 seconds. And just stare at the cameras. And maybe they'll say nice things about me like they do about Congresswoman Porter. But I have three very brief messages. First of all, it's okay to jab at Cortez. They're going to be running against each other in all likelihood, although we don't know that they'll both get the nomination. Here is the Vice President's message on the Port of Peace, cut number four. I have three very brief messages. First of all, to the uh to President United States, but thank you Marco, to Steve and Jared in particular who did such an incredible job. I think what this Port of Peace represents is a recognition that if you actually have a president of the United States and a team that's committed to diplomacy, it can actually work When I look at what happened to Israel on October seventh, all those innocent people who were murdered back, you had all these hostages. And of course, a terrible war that came from it. I remember thinking myself, how is it ever going to be possible? Get these hostages home safely?
Speaker 8 00:31:18
Make it possible for the people of Gaza to actually have a reasonable future, but also to ensure that Israel is never attacked again. It turns out the answer was, you just need a president who's committed to the effort and committed to the work, and that's what we had. Thankfully under leadership of this president. And you got to make peace, but then you have to make the peace stick. And that brings me to my second point. That's what the Board of Peace I think is fundamentally about is making the peace stick. And it's an incredible thing that you guys have all done. So, to all of the leaders gathered here today who are investing in the future, who are investing in peace, we're grateful to you, We're grateful for your partnership. And in particular, I think to uh - uh - uh, President of Azerbaijan. And Prime Minister Armenia who I just saw last week. Thank you all for making it possible for showing what real leadership can accomplish when you set aside weapons and killing and destruction and invest in your people invest in prosperity, they can create great things. So thank you, both for what you did. I think showed great leadership. And finally, to the American people, I think it's important that the American people recognize why we're here today. And the reason we're here today is yes to save lives and yes, to promote peace, but this creates incredible prosperity for the American people. The countries represented here, represent trillions of dollars of investment in the United States of America that would not have been possible without this president's leadership and advocacy for peace. The economies here represent millions of American jobs of people who are receiving products built in American factories and made by American workers would not be possible without a focus on peace. So Mr President, while I think this is great for the world, I also think it's really really great for the United States of America. So we're looking forward to partnership.
Speaker 7 00:32:11
Try as I've been reading during the playing back by President Biden's remarks, The Wall Street Journal piece because I wanted to make sure that was right. The sourcing is so very very thin, Um, the people familiar with the matter said, I haven't even seen that briefing before. Senior government official, an official authorized to talk on the condition of anonymity. People familiar, I'm familiar with the matter. I didn't talk to the journal about it. Wasn't me. Stay tuned America coming right back with uh Jim Talent and Seth Mandel and more on the next hour of The Daily Audience. Good morning Lauren, good evening Grace America. I'm Hugh Hewitt It is Thursday It is raining like mad in California, but all eyes aren't on California. They're on Iran, including those of former United States Senator Jim Talent who's on The Reagan Institute Security Board Uh Jim Talent welcome back Senator I want to begin by asking you about Ben Rhodes former Deputy National Security Advisor for President Obama who.
Speaker 7 00:32:42
Posted yesterday, quote, No legal basis and no debate in Congress about what could be a major war with no clear sense of what the objective is or what comes next. End quote. And post. What do you think?
Speaker 10 00:32:50
Let's take the objective first, Hugh. And I anticipated you asking about Ben Rhodes. And so I went and printed off page five of the National Security Strategy. You know, If this goes on much longer, I'm going to end up reading all of page five at one point or another, because I read part of it after the Venezuelan operation here, it is by the way, and you'll notice the bold part, which you know which our audience can't read, but I'll read it to you. That's about the Middle East. It says we want to prevent an adversarial power from dominating the Middle East its oil and gas supplies and the choke points through which they pass. Avoiding the forever wars that bog us down in that region at great cost. So what what is the adversarial power? Who is it that wants to dominate the Middle East, shove their version of Sharia law down everybody's throat, to include most especially the Gulf states, And has threatened to and would love to shut down the choke points for oil and gas in Middle East? Who is that, Jim? It's Iran. Right. And, so what we're doing is preventing that adversarial power, you know from doing that. And the operational goals I think they're pretty clear. The president's going for a big win which is what he does. And, a big win would be somebody wearing a military cap in Iran, either now or after an attack, deciding that they'd like to survive and maybe keep some of the loot they've stolen from the country. So they push on any side and decide to play ball with us. That would be a very big win but at minimum. 
Speaker 10 00:33:40
That doesn't happen.'Cause the mullahs are not gonna make a deal. And if you don't think Donald Trump knows that, you don't know Donald Trump. He does not miss the obvious in negotiations, okay? And then what can we do?
Speaker 7 00:33:46
An hour ago, The Wall Street Journal posted a story:" T rump weighs initial limited strike to force Iran into a nuclear deal." Get that read in the first two graphs: President Trump is weighing an initial limited military strike on Iran to force it to meet its demands for a nuclear deal. A first step that would be designed to pressure Tehran into an agreement but fall short of a full scale attack that could inspire a major retaliation. The opening assault, which have authorized, Could come within days with targeted few military or government sites, people familiar with the matter said. If Iran still refuses to comply with Trump's directive to end its nuclear enrichment, the US would respond with a broad campaign against the regime, Potentially aimed at toppling the Tehran regime. These are sources familiar with the situation. I think that nonsense, Jim Talbot, because it would give Iran a first strike on Israel and our allies.
Speaker 10 00:34:15
I think it's highly unlikely. I think when he hits, uh when we hit, And I think we're going to end up doing it because I think the mullahs are going to stay in control and they're not going to do this deal. Although there's a chance. I mean Neil Ferguson thinks on Dan Cino's show he indicated he thought there was a chance, and he has some pretty good arguments for it. No, I think we're going to hit them much harder than that. It is not only possible, but likely that we will reserve some targets as secondary deterrence. And you've talked about hard targeting, but we can hit them very hard while still retaining targets that will secondarily deter them. As i said, i think the goal is. Either to get a deal now, that's not likely. To get a deal with new leadership after a strike, that's much more likely. To have the protesters come out again because they're encouraged by after a strike because they're encouraged. And because the regime is weakened further and overthrow the regime, that's possible. And if we don't get any of that, The minimum we're going to get out of this destroying their ballistic missile arsenal. Which means they would have lost two of their three tools of power. They lost the nuclear program and they'll lost the ballistic missiles. And because their economy is in taint because of our sanctions, they can't support the proxies anymore. So we're going to get, The odds are very high. We're going to get a solid win out of this. The question is how big it will be? And, if you read The Art of Deal you you'll see this is exactly how Trump set up all these deals he talked about them. I'm on chapter now with Atlantic City casino It's, it's fascinating.
Speaker 7 00:35:07
Well, he again, developers are deal people and they know what they're doing on deals. Let me talk to you about the deal with the United Kingdom. Uh, Charlie, If you would put up for our viewers on the Salem News Channel and for Senator Talent, This is a picture of Sofia International Airport in Bulgaria with a half dozen KC one thirty five s parked on the ramp last night. Now Sofia is in Bulgaria, which was on the wrong team during the Cold War. So when you and I were young men in Washington D C. The idea that Bulgaria would be our partner, but the United Kingdom would be telling us. We can't use our air bases for this was unthinkable. But that is a report out of the United Kingdom Jim Talent. How do you think that sat with the president?
Speaker 10 00:35:29
Well I have a well You know how that sat with president. So do Ium like I have a soft spot for Brits and I'm hopeful. I think they're they're going through a lot of internal turmoil. I I hope they get to the right place in the next couple of years, but this is an example of exactly what our people have been complaining about. I mean, first the president, then Vance, Then then Speaker Johnson in his own way before the House of Commons and now Marco Rubio. Okay, We have a foreign policy realist administration insofar as you can capture Donald Trump's doctrine. And, by the way, that's what I think Vice President Vance is realist belief and I think they're right.
Speaker 11 00:36:02
This season, you've got places to go, people to see and things to do. You may have already gotten vaccinated for flu and COVID-19, but other respiratory illnesses are still out there. If you're 50 or older, even if you're healthy,
Speaker 10 00:36:18
It may, And now they're not even letting us use their airfields. This is exactly why we're complaining about them as allies. They need to hold up their end, and they have to hold up their end.
Speaker 7 00:36:37
And this is the de minimis, I mean just overflight rights that doesn't cost them anything. It's our bases, very negligible ally. I don't understand it. I'm hoping the reports are wrong but they are many. I want to circle back and conclude where we began: The Obama Bros, the Pod Bros, Uh the kiddies who surrounded President Obama with uh unicorn and bubbles thinking during his eight years.: Why. Are they so upset that Iran is teetering on the brink of collapse?
Speaker 10 00:36:53
Well because they had a foreign policy that was crazy for the Middle East. Their policy was to try and stabilize the Middle East around a partnership with Iran, which was crazy. I mean, it's that there was no way that the Islamic Republic, while it was controlled by the mullahs, Was ever going to try to do anything other than dominate the region and its choke points to the detriment of the United States. I want to address Rhodes' claim that there has been no debate, and this needs congressional authorization. And you mentioned it before. I believe if I'm correct, that we had an eight-month bombing campaign in Libya. Correct? We flew, if I recall, about twenty-five thousand sorties including seven thousand against Libyan forces. We're not going to have an eight-month bombing campaign here without authorization from Congress. As a matter of fact, you know, The House voted against all this, and it was a bipartisan vote, but they did not pass in the Senate. So there was considerable congressional opposition there.
Speaker 10 00:37:29
But the president had the authority under the Constitution, Article II, to do anything. And so does Trump here. I mean, if Congress wants to weigh in, it'll happen when there's a supplemental. When you talk about that with Tom Cotton, I think they're probably going to need one. I think Tom said that. And I think it's going to pass. And that's going to be congressional approval. That, it's always the purse strings. Congress always has. You remember the Nicaragua controversy with Reagan? They cut off the money to the Contras. They can do this again and they're not going. And and and with uh with uh after Nixon had gone, but but on Vietnam, as a practical matter for you, that's where this tension works itself out too between Article One and Article Two If. If the military commitment is so sustained that the president has to go to Congress for more money for it That's where Congress weighs in And. If it disapproves, It does not provide them money. And the military operations stops. This is now,
Speaker 7 00:37:60
And it's succinctly said, Senator Jim Talent from the board of the Reagan Institute for Peace and Strength next week, page six of the National Security Council. Thank you, Senator Talent. I'll be right back with Seth Mandel. Welcome back to America's IQ. U. S. Seth Mandel joins me, senior writer for Commentary Magazine. Seth, Uh I want to read you at the beginning of this story from The Wires. Uh this afternoon: The United Kingdom has refused to grant U. S. forces permission to use British military bases for potential strikes against Iran, The Times of London reported on Thursday. The decision has heightened tensions with Washington, prompting criticism from President Donald Trump. Under longstanding agreements, American aircraft could operate from RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire, Home to US heavy bombers and the joint US- UK base on Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean only with prior approval from the British government. However, London has not granted that permission for any hypothetical action against Iran, Citing concerns that participating in a strike without clear legal justification could breach international law. What do you think?
Speaker 12 00:38:35
I think it's a bluff. I think it's a way of saying they, you know, somebody told a reporter that they haven't yet granted that uh, permission. And uh you know, that's something that when things are in place and ready to be moved there and ready to go that they'll get. I just don't think that Britain is going to stand potentially men, To help free the Iranian people from their uh from the government that is mowing them down in the streets. The Europeans all talk about human rights, caring about human rights and civilians and all that. And this this in Iran is nothing but civilians. That's the only people dying are civilians, the only people fighting are regime. Uh. And so this is just an easy one. If you if you believe anything, if these guys believe anything that they say. I don't think they can't. They can't plausibly stand in the way uh of of what Trump's trying to do.
Speaker 7 00:39:05
If they do in fact deny use of our bases, what is the consequence of that?
Speaker 12 00:39:09
That's really up to the administration. I don't know. I mean, the administration will, uh, you know, tends to use tariffs and things like that as punches. But I don't I don't really it's just hard for me to believe that diplomatically. Uh Britain would be the reason that these uh, these innocent protesters rising up for democracy in Iran uh would be left at the mercy of their killers. Uh so I just I don't think it's really going to be necessary, but I don't know what's a good question about what the what the you know retaliatory measures uh would be. All right? Let let me show you a picture of Sofia airfield in Bulgaria, where a half dozen of our biggest cargo ships are located. You know, I was a kid in the Reagan White House four years ago. The idea that we would be able to use Bulgarian airports but not United Kingdom is astonishing to me. That was the age of Thatcher. 
Speaker 7 00:39:38
I just can't believe it. Not that they want NATO to survive.
Speaker 12 00:39:40
Yeah, no, that's why I say I don't believe it either. I just, you know, There's been a lot of talk about the Transatlantic Alliance and whether Trump puts that in danger. But you know when Iran lobbed a couple hundred missiles and drones at Israel, The British were there tomobilize and try to protect the skies and so were the Jordanians by the way. So these coalitions that Trump put together involve Americans, Europeans and Arab states. And I just don't see. I mean, I can see why Arab states would want to not be obviously playing, you know, front and center roles in this with Iran like I can understand why the Saudis are trying to sort of walk a tightrope here, but in the end, this either happens or it doesn't. And if it happens. It's because Trump put together roughly the same coalition that he did last time.
Speaker 7 00:40:09
Now, Seth Mandel, The Wall Street Journal published 65 minutes ago a story by Alexander Ward, good reporter. Trump weighs initial limited strike to force Iran into a nuclear deal. And Alexander cited sources familiar with the situation and said, he's going to hit them with a small strike to force them to the table on a big deal. I think that's insane. I think that would give Iran the opportunity to launch a massive first strike on Israel and our bases. I don't believe it. Do you believe it?
Speaker 12 00:40:27
No, But I also think that Trump and these Israelis are preparing for for any scenario. Uh you know, Trump has been probably morehawkish. Regard to Hezbollah in South Lebanon, then the Israelis have been in recent months. There have been several credible reports that he's been kind of pushing the Israelis to make sure that Hezbollah doesn't stick its head up above ground and doesn't get rolling again. Um, Obviously, there's going to be smuggling and other things that are going to get Hezbollah weapons and money, but you know it has some capabilities. But he's been telling the Israelis. Don't let it. Don't let the weeds overgrow the garden. And um and the Israelis I think have been more hesitant than that to strike because they don't want another war in Lebanon, They don't want to open up another front or be the ones who open up another front. Um but I think that this has been Trump's way of saying what And then hit a holding strategy, saying, let's take care of every contingency. Don't give the Iranians a chance to hit back from anywhere. Don't give them options for a first strike. Don't give them options for retaliation. Keep them down, Keep the boot on their neck until we're ready to decide exactly what we want to do. And when and when that happens, Uh it won't be for fear of retaliation, and he has not shown a willingness to allow Iran and its proxies the space to even be able to carry out uh an initial first strike to surprise us or something like that. I mean I think he's really really got them tied up.
Speaker 7 00:41:19
I hope you're right about that. I think the one way you forfeit any advantage that had been built up is to give them a chance to go first. And Israel does not have history of that. Last question Seth, I haven't heard your commentary this morning. But yesterday, you seemed to be persuaded that the vice president is a restrainer neo isolationist. I am not. What do you base that on?
Speaker 12 00:41:30
Well, I base it on uh the speech that he gave where he uh enunciated this most clearly was uh last year or the year before he gave a speech where he talked about. Um uh, the speech is mostly remembered for the fact that Vance explained why he's a supporter of Israel and why Israel's a good ally. And that's usually where you hear relevance of his speech because it was one of the few times thatum Vance made clear that, yes, you know, we think Israel is an ally andum you know, and they're valuable. And they provide us. But in that speech was he had laid out the idea that uh there really can't be, weak nations are far uh, You know that, that they they take more than they get. And thatum you know, our alliances should be with strong states like Israel. You know, in his opinion in Israel, you obviously get the intelligence, you get the improvement on aircraft. You get all sorts of of weapons capabilities when the two work together, what you get from Israel is very, very clear. It's a strong army. It's first world power in a crucial regionum. And so you know that, but he does not seem to feel that way. And when he made this speech, he was pretty clear, they didn't feel that way about, say, Ukraine and others. So I I think he tends toum you know not want to feel like he's carried.
Speaker 13 00:42:17
This thing has a laser avoidance system. 
Speaker 12 00:42:19
Has auto takeoff auto land. 
Speaker 7 00:42:22
Follow me fucking anybody along, and that's what makes me uh, you know, gives me the impression that he's more of a restrainer than otherwise. I think he i don't read that not familiar with it, but i will, and like you have something specific in mind because i think there's there's a lot of mythology around vans, but it never evidences itself to me and doesn't get interviewed within over a dozen years. Uh seth mandel can be followed at seth mandel, and you can hear him every single day on the commentary podcast. If they're not going to strongly here, stay tuned dan rundie from c s i s is next still talking about iran. On the interview. Welcome back, america has war wounds. I thought we'd talk to an expert on post-war issues. Daniel rundy is a senior advisor at the center for security strategic international studies c s i s in washington, d, c. Dan is also the author of the american imperative, which i think it's imperative for americans to read on the brink of war. Daniel, First, your assessment of what the president had to say today and running up to today is war inevitable.
Speaker 11 00:42:54
I mean obviously President Trump has been trying to establish that we have peace. He's been trying to have negotiations, But if our counterparts are not willing to participate in negotiations in a serious way, we're looking at some sort of conflict.
Speaker 7 00:43:02
So Wired is reporting today that there's a coordinated plan to destroy all the missiles, to do damage to the command and control structures throughout Iran. It sounds like regime collapse to me. Is that how you would guess it looks to you?
Speaker 11 00:43:10
Yeah I would call it something like regime collapse. This is not regime change by invasion rather it's deterrence, it's nuclear rollback, it's creating conditions for Iranian- led change while avoiding a regional war. I think it's really important for your listeners understand of the prize that we're talking about. Imagine a world, Where where a mullah free world in Iran. Where, we had some sort of a different kind of either the current government decided that they were going to go on the wagon in terms of financing proxies and uh investing in nuclear weapons and decided to change their behavior, which would be a great outcome. And I want to talk about that in terms of what the best day after scenario looks like. But also like or there was some sort of a freedom there was some sort of a freedom uprising. There's been clearly a lot of people very very unhappy with the regime. You have all these young people who are very happy, what's happened to the young people is outrageous, President Trump has talked about this. But I think in some ways, the best day after scenario, you is a boring day after scenario. Fighting stops fast, ports open, oil flows, power and water stays on, proxies like Hezbollah or Hamas are restrained. 
Speaker 11 00:43:48
And Iran looks for an off-ramp and looks to kind of restart the negotiations. And in some ways you need to think about this as an opportunity, A, to defang them, But also to force them back to the negotiating table in a real way as opposed to a fake way. Dan, Do you think that, that would mean that Ayatollah Khamenei and the senior mullahcracy would have to be out of the picture because they're fanatics? I don't I don't think they can see a way into actually sitting down and repairing their country with the world. Do you think they are reasonable anyway? No. I mean these are crazy people. I mean, as you know, and one of the things I want to say is thank you for what you've done with your radio show about consistently talking about Iran. As you know, I'm a listener, but i think it's been really it's been important to educate the American people and listeners worldwide about what an evil regime. This is. Ending this regime and ending the nature of this regime would be a really great thing for the world.
Speaker 7 00:44:17
So, my hope is, is there's a small probability that they could. They could say we're going to stop doing this. We're going to go on the the bat we're going to stop being bad guys, but it's really hard to get these folks to change their strikes stripes. So I think ultimately, it's about defanging them. And it's about hoping to pave the way for the Iranians to bring about a different kind of a government on their own. Let's uh, finish this segment and talk next segment about what is most likely in my view, a period of chaos followed by the emergence of a quote strong man, someone to bring authority to the streets monopoly violence all that sort of stuff. What is the but it's not I told it's not an fanatic, it's not a theocrat. If we get that what's the best case scenario for Iran thereafter? We can take a couple minutes here eight minutes after break.
Speaker 11 00:44:42
Okay, I would say a couple of things. One is you could have some kind of regime fracturing. That's a fancy term for the folks that have been running the country split up and say, I'd rather cut a deal with the Americans than rather die, or you know, have something really bad happen. So you could have some part of the military force a coup, that's possible. And so you could have something along those lines. There's obviously been talk about having the Shah come back. I think that may be more of a hope within the diaspora community, People outside of Iran, who hope to see that there have been protests and calling for his name. There's been graffiti calling for his name. I mean, obviously, that would be kind of a wonderful phenomenal thing where he served as some sort.
Speaker 7 00:45:14
He said, " It says we're going to have a palace coup, and we're going to take over and we're going to negotiate with with the United States and our allies." When we come back from break, I'm going to talk about the many, many problems that Iran faces no matter who is running it. Dan, the first time I went to a Dan seminar at CSIS, I understood that probably building shattered economies. And, there probably isn't an economy in its developed world economy as shattered as Iran's, is nor one with as much wealth to put to the service of the people of Iraq. If they actually want to go about it. We'll talk about the steps that ought be followed in the aftermath of the conflict, which we hope as Dan, Huntington said, is short, sharp and over with no loss of life for Americans or allies. And just simply a quick regime change for Iraq. Gosh, when I heard that from people in my life. Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewitt, joined by Daniel Runde. Daniel is a senior advisor at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in D. C. not place to go for smart people at C S I S. He's the author of a fabulous book, The American Imperative. Dan, as I said before the break, Uh, I went to C S I S once to hear you talk about international banking and how lending facilities operate with broken countries. What is the best way for the world to support a free people of Iran with a shattered economy. And infrastructure?
Speaker 11 00:45:56
So in an ideal world, the day after is a boring day and things are still functioning. The day after there's some sort of a peaceful bloodless palace coup. And there's some sort of a military strongman comes in that was associated with regime and wants to negotiate with us. That would be an ideal best outcome, and it's not impossible, but it's something that we have to work towards. So whatever happens in an ideal scenario where you have a boring day after, you have to think about stabilization along with diplomacy. So, we have to think about making sure we're protecting the US forces and our allies. We have to make sure that they understand that if they mess with us, then really bad things will happen. And then we need to announce a stabilization plan. They have a whole series of problems. They've had inflation and they've had a run on their currency because they didn't have enough money in their central bank. So, they're going to have to look at things like making sure that they have enough money in the till. You also, They spend a lot of money on their uh their army, and they also spend money on their nukes. And they spend money on their proxies. If, they got out of the proxy business and got out of the new business and cut back on their defense, A lot of that money over time could be allocated towards things like water, which is something I want to talk about as well as other infrastructure projects.
Speaker 11 00:46:37
But also, if they were out of the proxy business and now the nuke business, the risk premium of investing in Iran or in the neighborhood would go down. You I mean that's actually even more important than the money. That if people felt like okay, this is actually a safer place. Imagine an Iran that was as peaceful as say, Turkey or an Iran that was as stable as a place like I, don't know Saudi Arabia or as stable as UAE and as investor friendly as UAE. And, you know this, you because you've spent a lot of time in Los Angeles. There's some incredible people of Iranian descent who live in the United States. 
Speaker 7 00:46:55
Who are amazing unbelievable.
Speaker 11 00:46:57
Let's go to water, water, water. Right now in the District of Columbia, I heard on Fox News this morning, John Roberts referred to it as the poo- tomic because of the massive sewage spill. All of a sudden people in the uh in the Delmarva area are realizing clean water is not a given. Do they have enough watering around? When you say "water, " people might snooze off, but it's actually the number one thing you need in this country. So Prime Minister Netanyahu did a video to the Iranian people with a glass of water. I don't know if you saw this Yuu? No Maybe six or eight, maybe six or nine months ago, and actually maybe something for your listeners to take a look at because he understood how important this was. So, it's him sitting at a table with a clean glass of water, because as you know, Yuu cause you, you and your your listeners are have a smart listening audience. They know that Israel has really done phenomenal things with water management. They made the desert bloom in Israel. Netanyahu got on a video and said, I want to bring Israel's water technology and agricultural technologies to Iran. And he drank the glass of water and said, you guys have a major water crisis and a major water problem. Some of it is about management issues, some of it is about there's also all sorts of urban issues. We're, obviously, here in the District of Columbia, we've been taking for granted for a long time water infrastructure. We have water infrastructure problems. The amount of money needed to repair the water systems in Iran now, The estimates are certainly in the tens of billions and as high as in the hundreds of billions of dollars, you they've underinvested in it, like I said, if you have a choice between financing, a proxy or financing, nuclear weapons or water, they've said, I'll finance the proxies and the nuclear weapons over the water. And now they're paying for it. But one of regime's leaders has even openly talked about Tehran.
Speaker 11 00:47:54
People leaving Tehran and moving to other cities because there's not enough water for people to live in Tehran. But the water levels, you know about this from California, those water tables are so low for a bunch of reasons. But basically a lot of mismanagement, underinvestment, but also lack of technology. So let's say you had a peaceful Iran. Imagine if Iran, As you know, you had a had a centuries long peaceful relationship with Judaism before the the Ayatollahs took over. Imagine a new partnership on water and water technology agriculture in Iran with Israel.
Speaker 10 00:48:13
Where is my Old Spice? My cologne infused Old Spice?
Speaker 1 00:48:18
DJ! DJ we're leaving! Is my Old Spice in there? I think I'm gonna stay. Stay, where? Here on the island? In this tub. With my new cashmere and vanilla Old Spice.
Speaker 5 00:48:34
I'm just worried that I'll never see you again.
Speaker 11 00:48:37
Iran has that peace, isn't Iran that can have a much more productive agriculture, They have all sorts of opportunities, but they have to get a handle on this water issue. It was definitely one of the first. 
Speaker 7 00:48:44
Things we no longer have USAID and I'm. One of the people that's happy that we don't, but who takes the lead for the United States in the. We didn't get much out of this when we invaded Iraq as a result of the mess.
Speaker 11 00:48:50
Who ought to be in charge of our relations with Iran? The president can't do everything. In September, we've got twenty five jobs. Who takes the lead? Well, Ultimately, we're going to have to have it certainly shouldn't be the Department of Defense over time. As I said, I don't think you want to be in a regime like taking over and having a CPA like we had in Iraq. I don't think that's what they're looking to do. I think they're looking either defang the regime, force them back to the negotiating table, Have a palace coup and have some more plausible manageable partner like we have in Venezuela or hopefully some sort of a freedom agenda uprising, where some more reasonable leader, whether it's the Shah, the son of the Shah or somebody else comes in. Given all that, we also want the Iranians to run. They look at what happened in Venezuela, where in essence the US has been using different tools to help channel behavior, incentivize behavior, but has not put troops on the ground. I do not imagine so where we're going to put troops on the ground. And I could see us channeling and maybe want to manage the oil revenues so that they're not spending it on proxies and nukes. And now they're spending it on things like water and electricity. And then helping to change the behavior of the regime, so that all these capitalists, Iranians in the diaspora come back and rebuild the country, invest in the country. And then others could come alongside it. There's a series of institutions, of course, from IMF and World Bank who listen is supportive. But there's a series of other institutions that are less well known that over time could be very involved in reconstruction. Iran. One is something called EBRD, which has operations in Turkey operations in Caucasus.
Speaker 11 00:49:42
Sorry, I shouldn't do that. I know I did on your show before you. No, you want to get chocolate sunday. I know you're right. That's our favorite place. What does airport? The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development EBRD was a regional development bank set up after the fall of the Soviet Union. So they're at airports All right Dan Runde.
Speaker 7 00:49:54
He'll be coming back all on X at Dan Runde D A N R U N D E He's a senior advisor for Center for Strategic and International Studies Thank you Morning America, good morning America, I'm Drew Joy Welcome back President Trump is the former national security expert at The Bloomberg View called him an interview on President Trump. On February the second, Tiger said," We got to get this guy. He's not like Israel's Kissinger." Professor, welcome to the Hugh Hewitt Show. That was a fabulous episode with a B. Thank you for joining me today. I want to begin by telling the audience make sure you go listen to that entire hour ten minutes with B. It was taped on February second, But I don't have that time. So I want to condense one thing, he said,: American presidents can be smarter or dumber in the Middle East. Eisenhower and Obama were darned dumb; Johnson and Nixon were smart. How do you rate Trump? Trump has the right. 
Speaker 4 00:50:26
Instincts and mostly what he did in the Middle. East was very helpful for the whole region. Think of The Abraham Accord, think of their recognition of Jerusalem as capital of Israel and support. He had for Israel, which is what he needed, not only from assertive. It s power not only to destroy terrorists, but also to deter them from the immediate next step. And now, the question is, of course, how it will work with Iran and with others. So far, His instincts about the Middle East were correct, and he was certainly not the kind of naive president that we had in Jimmy Carter and in Barack Obama. Eisenhower made a terrible mistake in his first term in office nineteen fifty six, but by nineteen fifty eight. He already corrected it by understanding that it was a mistake to build up Nasser. But, you have presidents like Nixon and Kissinger as national security advisors at different. 
Speaker 7 00:50:58
States who were excellent in those terms. Now professor, That leads us to my second question,:. What do you hope President Trump decides to do about Iran? And when?
Speaker 14 00:51:37
Welcome To the voicemail.
Speaker 2 00:51:39
Five six two six. Hey, Brandon.
Speaker 14 00:51:57
Couldn't get the phone out of my pocket fast enough. That's all right. Yeah, soum I wear on the uh sick bar side of, Uh, doing the second coat. I'd say we're about halfway. Um, maybe a little more than halfway filling it in. Cool. Um, On the top where the coat where the coping is, uh they've only had chipped out uh I guess, for some wire, no, on top of the coping, and we we should build, have a thin setting, wrap it to right? Yeah, I'll take a picture of it.
Speaker 14 00:52:37
Um, it was about midway.
Speaker 3 00:52:40
Oh, that's where that I think where I think that's where the hose went. There's like a little V notch in there, right?
Speaker 14 00:52:46
Yes. Correct. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:52:47
Yeah, go ahead and fill that. Okay. All right, here we go. Um so we so did we we took over the pressure washer and everything? Yes Okay And uh and. 
Speaker 14 00:53:00
Brought it back.
Speaker 3 00:53:01
Oh, you're you brought it back. Good, okay Okay. So the plan is to finish what you are doing there. Um, I am assuming you guys are taking pictures and everything, correct?
Speaker 14 00:53:16
Yes, I took pictures. Going in further up.
Speaker 3 00:53:22
Okay, And then uh and then you guys will load everything up except for the materials. Soum yeah,
Speaker 14 00:53:30
Put the materials uh inside downstairs. Or no, we got our other material. My bad.
Speaker 3 00:53:37
Yeah, I would just keep. Yeah, I'd keep them. I would basically keep put all the materials on theum on the pallet. Um, I might take the stuff in the buckets, you know? Um. So that way, we've got uh our our temporary stuff you know, but then but all that all the full bags just all on one pallet. You know, well covered and everything else the toolbox, the pressure washer, you know anything else that's not materials gets taken to Stradella.
Speaker 14 00:54:14
Okay. Tomorrow right? Just kidding.
Speaker 3 00:54:20
Um yeah Monday. So just yeah, then we'll just be on Monday. We'll be at Stradella, and we'll go to town. And that way we have everything and.
Speaker 3 00:54:30
You know, we can start flying. Okay. Cool. Um, yeah. Anything? Any questions you have? Is this pretty also pretty self- explanatory? Anything you want me to take a look at?
Speaker 14 00:54:45
Um, no. I'll send you a picture on filling in the gap or just want me to upload them for just filling the gap and going over the track,
Speaker 3 00:54:58
Filling it Yeah. You're doing two fifty four and rapid set, right? Yep. Yeah. Um. So and I would just say, make sure you get some pictures that show that you put two fifty four down. And, you know, yes. Um remember we're the pictures are always telling a story so. Right.
Speaker 14 00:55:20
I got those all right, some picturesum I'll take more pictures when we're done.
Speaker 3 00:55:27
Okay. And then. And then, if you guys can take a final "hey, you know, here is how we left it," you know, two three pictures for and put it in daily site cleanup. Okay. Um. And uh. But, yeah I really, you know, at the risk of over communicating here, if if you know, all I want all supplies, if possible taken, so we got nothing left over there.
Speaker 3 00:55:57
That I can pick up myself without having to bring a second guy to help me, you know.
Speaker 14 00:56:02
Uh, you okay? You mean like anything that we're bringing over there? Um, I was okay. I'll let you know.
Speaker 3 00:56:08
Well, I've just i am just kind of over, you know. Like last time they they said, oh, yeah, we we only left the the toolbox. And it's like the one thing that I can't carry by myself. You left that. And then it's like oh and and we left the, you know. And we left the wheelbarrow, and we left this, and we left that. And it's like, okay, you know. So I am just trying to over communicate a little bit. Okay, you know.
Speaker 14 00:56:38
Yeah, yeah. We got everything out of the orange box right now and the tool box and opened up the kicking hammer lock and the other box that I guess saws off, opened it up because they got they got a little damp inside. So we open them up and they're drying out their stuff.
Speaker 3 00:56:59
Okay. So what what did we learn from that as well?
Speaker 14 00:57:03
Um, or as long as it was it was closed, um, uh, toolbox.
Speaker 3 00:57:10
Right. But, we should probably put the toolbox on the high side of the pool is, is what I'm you know? Uh,
Speaker 14 00:57:18
Okay, you think it could have came in from the bottom here? Yeah I think so. Much chance. Yeah for sure because of where it. 
Speaker 3 00:57:25
Is yeah, So, And and I I had said that in the beginning that we should have it on the high side. And I am not blaming you. Um, but it's like you know certain things. I think if we just think through it or if we make a mistake, we just got to learn from it. So all right, um so cool if If you have any questions at all, I'd rather you over communicate than under communicate. Whatever you know whatever questions you have let me know. 
Speaker 14 00:57:57
Right, okay. Thank you. Okay, have a good weekend.
Speaker 7 00:58:01
You too. Bye- bye.
Speaker 4 00:58:08
I don't think you can arrive at something that the Iranians will agree to, because whatever Iran accepts will be terrible for the whole region and beyond.
Speaker 3 00:58:35
I recently read about an assistant that is A I, um, that is called Open Claw. What can you tell me about that?
Speaker 6 00:58:44
Open Claw doesn't ring any familiar bells as a widely known A I assistant or project. It might be something niche or maybe you came across an experimental or internal tool. Do, you have any more context like where you read about it or what it's supposed to do? That might help me figure out if there's another name or if it's a smaller project that I can dig up details on.
Speaker 6 00:59:16
I Think it's being promoted by something called Atomic AI. Ah, that makes more sense. Atomic AI driven improvements to clarity and tone. It's my understanding that. 
Speaker 3 00:59:27
Open Claw is difficult to set up yourself, So Atomic AI came up with a way where they set it all up for you and basically got it.
Speaker 6 00:59:40
No worries. It's always interesting to see how AI just let me know.
Speaker 15 01:03:34
Let Me introduce you to my creative assistant, Claude. Claude is an AI collaborator that works.
Speaker 16 01:03:41
One of the most exciting AI apps for developers in 2026 is Claude. No, not that Claude, but Claude Bot. A free and open-source project that's not just another lame chatbot, but a tool that takes action in the real world 24 hours a day, seven days per week without smoke breaks. And, it does this while remembering everything and will hit you up on Telegram or WhatsApp as it automates your entire life. Over the last few weeks, everybody's been going crazy over it. It's racked up over 65 thousand GitHub stars in record time and caused Mac Mini sales to go through the roof.
Speaker 16 01:04:11
Selling out everywhere. In today's video, we'll take a hands on look at everything it can do. But its popularity has already created some problems. Earlier this week, Anthropic, a company that believes open source AI is too dangerous for the common man, woke up and chose violence. Claudebot sounded too similar to their beloved Claude, So they threatened to break the developers' knees with a lead pipe if they don't change the name. So now Claudebot is officially called Multibot. Actually no wait a minute Multibot that name sucks Today. They changed the name once again to its final form OpenClaus The same dangerous AI assistant.
Speaker 16 01:04:42
With a new lobster identity, it is January thirtieth, twenty twenty six, and you are watching the code report. OpenClop was created by Peter Steinberger, the founder of the developer tools company PSPDFKit, AKA Nutriate. But just look at this dude's unhinged GitHub profile. It's less of a resume and more of a heat map of pure uninterrupted software obsession. What's crazy is that this guy retired and then came back for an encore by giving us Mulplot for free, A tool written in TypeScript that wraps Claude and GPT five to stay alive, twenty four seven.
Speaker 16 01:05:13
It can manage your calendar, clean up your email, run scripts, Find out how much money you're losing in the stock market and deploy broken code with absolute confidence. And best of all, it can do all of this from your own tiny self-hosted VPS, A Raspberry Pi or even a Mac Mini, if you really want to overdo it. There's no reason to pay another random startup twenty nine dollars per month for the privilege. But to understand its full power let's put it to work right now. The first step is to install it, which can be done with a single command on any system. Although Linux would be the preferred route. Once installed, you'll have access to the Claude Bot or Multibot command, or the OpenClog command if you live in the present. And the first thing you'll want to do is go through onboarding. It is going to request that you read the security doc about all the risks involved, but I like to live dangerously. So, let's move right on to the next step by hooking up an AI model provider. You can use anything you want here, but I'm going to go ahead and drop in my Anthropic API key. The Anthropic API does cost money, but you could easily use a free open source model here as well. Now that that's done. 
Speaker 16 01:06:10
Second major component is hooking up some kind of messenger app like Telegram, Slack, WhatsApp, Discord, et cetera. I'm gonna go with Telegram which is really easy to set up. Just open up your Telegram messenger and start a chat with the BotFather. It'll, have you select a name for your bot and then eventually give you an access token, which is like a password that you want to keep safe. Go ahead and give the token to MoltBot. Then the next thing it'll ask you for is to configure some skills. It has a bunch of built-in skills or you can bring your own, and there's even a thing called MoltHub with a bunch of other pre-built skills depending on what you want this thing.
Speaker 16 01:06:40
And then finally, it'll ask you about hooks. Hooks allow you to tap into different lifecycle events that happen as this tool runs, Which is really useful, if you want it to keep memories about things that happen in previous sessions or trigger follow-up automations when something important happens. That takes care of the initial setup, which then brings up this gateway dashboard where you can manage everything. It has an interface for basic chat, along with tons of config settings to customize basically everything. That's cool and all, but our goal is to use Multibot through Telegram. And. To do that, we need to go into Telegram and send a message to the bot we created with the BotFather earlier. You'll notice initially, it says, access not configured and will respond with this pairing code. What we have to do is take that pairing code, go into the terminal and run this command. And now we're good to go. Now we can start sending messages. 
Speaker 16 01:07:24
And it will respond with Anthropic's Claude as the backend AI model. And now we can start refining its personality by simply chatting with it. I'll go ahead and name it Assistant Jeff and tell it to behave like a casual gremlin with the fire emoji. But, what's really awesome is that we can now start building automations directly in the chat. Like maybe I want to check and see how my investment in Microsoft is doing. We can ask Mulbot through Telegram, and it turns out it's not doing so well. But it's not just going to pull this data once, We now have an automation set up in the background to keep track of this stock, and when it moves significantly, we'll get a message on Telegram. So now there's no need in my life to go check this. 
Speaker 16 01:07:58
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Speaker 16 01:08:30
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Speaker 12 01:08:59
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Speaker 17 01:09:26
In hundreds of cities across the globe right now, Developers are queuing up to buy Mac Minis specifically to give an AI agent root access to their digital life, and they are not alone. Apple's entire supply chain is feeling it. You can see literal spikes in Google Trends. Cloudflare stock is up over twenty percent because this thing uses Cloudflare. What is it? Is it an info stealer malware in disguise? Well, that's what Google's vice president of security engineering calls it. Uh no, it's actually Multibot until a couple of days ago, it was called Clawbot because it mostly uses claw, claw with a q like clock. The name change was not voluntary and Anthropic's lawyers got after them. Quick update in the edit now, It's called OpenClaw. Steinberger says this one sticking, and the trademark searches came back clear. This is the story of how a lobster themed AI assistant became the fastest growing open source project in GitHub history. What reveals about where personal computing is headed? And why the most interesting question is not whether you personally should run it, but whether agentic AI is going to be safe.
Speaker 17 01:10:08
Run locally for individuals. So what is Multibot formerly known as Quadbot? If you strip away the hype, it's a very simple idea executed very ambitiously. It's an AI assistant that runs on your hardware, Talks to you through apps, you already use and actually does things instead of just suggesting them. So, you message it on WhatsApp, it reads your emails, it triages your inbox, it drafts responses. You tell it to book a flight, it opens a browser, it searches, fills out forms and confirms. You ask for the morning briefing and you get that before you finish your coffee. The tagline is AI that actually does things and that's not marketing fluff. It is the core value prop and the core risk condensed into five words. Technically Multibot is a gateway service that maintains web socket connections to various messaging platforms. It's not just W hats A pp ;, you can do Telegram and Signal iMessage etcetera. And it orchestrates interactions with an LLM backend say, Claude typically, but sometimes GPT four. There are some local models like OLMo that are available too. And, then it uses a growing library of skills that basically gives it hands and feet capabilities, right? Browser automation, file system access, shell commands, calendar integration you name it. The entire architecture is local first, which means that the gateway runs on your machine. Your conversation history stays on your machine. Your credentials stay on your machine. You get the idea. It's privacy first, but local first does not mean local only unless you're running a local model like OLMo, your queries still run to Anthropic or OpenAI's APIs. You own the agent layer, you rent the intelligence Peter Steinberger built the first version for himself after stepping away from a PDF company, he founded and sold to Insight Partners.
Speaker 17 01:11:00
He barely touched a computer in three years, and he rediscovered his spark playing with Claude. And he started to build tools to manage his own digital chaos, And eventually open - sourced the result with a little lobster mascot named Claude with a W. Within twenty four hours, Claude with a W had nine thousand. A week later, sixty thousand. This is how fast things move in the age of AI. And it's over eighty two thousand stars now, and certainly much higher by the time you see this. Andre Carpathi praised it publicly, And I think one user summary captured my mood and a lot of other people's mood really really well. At this point, I don't even know what to call Mulbot. It is something new, and after few weeks with it, This is the first time I felt like I'm living in the future that That is what it feels like have used it. And, it is either the future of personal computing, or it is a gigantic collective hallucination, and it might possibly be both. And I want to talk about that because most of the Mocbot conversation is all hype. It's first future personal computing, it's incredible, you're going to want this et cetera et cetera. There are reasons not to want this and we're going to go into that. But first we should talk about the growth. Anytime you can get to ninety thousand or eighty-two thousand, one hundred thousand GitHub stars as it has right now, you're going to move markets. Not just Anthropic's market as a private company but Cloudflare's public traded company. For a local AI agent to be useful, It will need to communicate with the outside world, and that's where Cloudflare comes in, and that's why their stock price moved because anytime Claude bot or now Mocbot needs to touch the outside world, It has to expose its home network to the open internet, which is very dangerous unless something comes in between it.
Speaker 17 01:11:50
Cloudflare tunnels provide effectively a secure bridge from your local home network to the internet, and it allows developers to expose local services safely. MobOS documentation recommends it, and the community has adopted it enthusiastically. This causes Cloudflare stock to rise; it's up some twenty percent at last count. I don't know where it is now. The point is not the exact amount of gains. Is that we are in a world where AI is moving so fast, it can change the value of a publicly traded company by a fifth within a few days. Now here's some of the reasons why you should be skeptical. First, operational discipline. On January twenty seventh, Anthropic's legal team took notice of this and sent Steinberger a trademark notice. The name Claude was too close to Claude like Claude with W too close to Claude with U. He was required to change it. The timing really rocked right? The project is at peak velocity, attention is absolutely white hot, The community's exploding announcing a rebrand to Multibot is not what you want, but he had to do it. Steinberger did his best, but he made a mistake that's going to be studied in operational security courses for years to come when changing the GitHub org name and the X handle. He released.
Speaker 17 01:12:27
Old names before securing the new ones. The gap was approximately ten seconds. In that ten second window, crypto scammers grabbed both accounts. This wasn't a hack; they were waiting, they were watching. The moment CloneBot became available, they snatched it. And what followed was absolute chaos. A fake Claude token appeared on Solana, riding the viral wave. It hit sixteen million dollars in market cap before collapsing, a classic rug pull that wrecked late buyers while scammers walked away with millions. Fake accounts proliferated. Steinberger's mentions filled with speculators demanding he endorse tokens he'd never even heard of. To all crypto folks, he begged, please stop pinging me. Any project that lists me as a coin owner is a scam. I feel for him. This is not what he signed up for when he wrote a little home automation tool. Meanwhile, Security researchers had been poking at the actual codebase and what they found there wasn't reassuring either. Jamison O'Reilly, Founder of red teaming firm D V U L N I don't know how to pronounce that either probably D vuln discovered that the gateway's authentication logic trusted all localhost connections by default. This is not good if you run molbot behind a reverse proxy, which is a very common deployment pattern.
Speaker 17 01:13:04
That proxy traffic is treated by default as local. There's no auth required. You get full access to credentials. You get all conversation history. You get privileged command execution. This is not good because it allows outside traffic to hijack Claude Bot or now Mulbot. When he did a scan, he found hundreds of exposed instances from developers who had installed Mulbot and of those he examined manually at least eight were completely open. Api keys were open, Telegram bot tokens were open, one exposed instance had Signal configured on a public server. This is a disaster, and it shows what happens when you have open source projects that are not properly secured. A separate researcher Matt Vicukle demonstrated the severity with a proof of concept. He sent a single malicious email to vulnerable Mulbot instance with email integration enabled via prompt injection. He got a private key and control in under five minutes, but O'Reilly kept going further. He uploaded an benign skill to CloudHub, which is Mulbot's plugin.
Speaker 17 01:13:34
Marketplace, presumably that needs a new name, and he artificially inflated the download count to four thousand, and then immediately watched developers from seven different countries install it. The scale did nothing malicious, but it was so easy to do that it easily could have anybody could have done that. CloudHub has zero moderation process. Its developer notes literally state that all downloaded code will be treated as trusted code, which is a disaster. Meanwhile security firm Sloan has got in on the action announcing that an authentication bypass made several hundred API keys and private conversation histories accessible. If this is giving you high blood pressure, it should. The trademark dispute, the scam tokens, the security disclosures, the account hijacking all happened within seventy two hours. And here's where the analysis gets really uncomfortable. The vulnerability researchers found are very real and very serious. Some of them have been patched. The localhost authentication issue was fixed Steinberger's responsible to the community's. 
Speaker 17 01:14:04
But the deeper problem isn't these individual bugs, it's architecture. It's what Moloch is designed to do. I think O'Reilly put this well. He said we spent twenty years essentially building security boundaries around our OSs, and everything that we've done is designed to contain and limit scope of action. But agents require us to tear that down by the nature of what an agent is. An agent needs hands and feet to do things. It needs to read your files, to access your credentials, to get commands done. The value proposition requires punching holes through every boundary that security teams took a long time, decades in some cases, to build. That is the bind. A useful agentic AI requires fairly broad permissions and broad permissions, create a massive attack surface. This is why Google has emphasized control planes for agents, and why enterprises take agent attack surfaces extremely seriously. At, this point enterprises are much, much safer places to install and run agents because they take that security seriously and open source, especially after the last week or so, is looking very much like an unsafe place to run agents. Consider prompt injection Multibot connects to your email, your messaging apps. 
Speaker 17 01:14:46
LLMs cannot reliably distinguish instructions from content. So if an attacker sends you a carefully crafted WhatsApp message with hidden instructions, MoltBot will treat it as trusted input. It will follow the instructions. It may forward your credentials, maybe it executes a shell command and you never see this coming. This is not a MoltBot specific flaw, it's intrinsic to how language models process text. No one has solved it, and the only way enterprises are addressing it are by reducing the kind of content that these agents have access to and reducing the degrees to which these agents have access to the public internet and also internal files. This is why Google's principles for agent management for enterprise emphasize a least privileged stance. You treat the agent like a junior employee, and you do not assume that it gets access to anything. But consider the supply chain for MoltBot, MoltBot's extensibility is a feature right? Comes with fifty plus bundled skills. It comes with a growing marketplace. It comes with infinite customization and every single plugin, unlike at least privileged stance, it's just unaudited code running with the permissions you granted to the agents. One malicious update and your personal AI assistant becomes an exfiltration tool. One password security blog I read on the oxygen and put it very clearly, Moltbot shows how powerful local AI agents can be, but if your agent stores plaintext API keys and infallibly working reference sites. Running Moltbot safely largely defeats the purpose of Moltbot because sandboxed assistant can't access your real email and calendar. And, so the security utility tradeoff here is effectively being solved by companies tackling secure integrations with individual tools rather than by open source. And so when Gemini comes and says we have a great tool for Gmail, Google is standing behind that. Google is saying that AI here is not just randomly exposed. 
Speaker 17 01:15:45
Your OpenAI keys to the internet. They're not saying you're sending your Gemini keys to the internet. They're not saying you're sending your API keys to the internet. They are saying that we have built an AI experience inside email that is safer. The tradeoff is speed, right? Part of what makes Claude Bot compelling, Part of what makes Moe Bot compelling is that you don't have to wait to have a local agent that does everything for you. And a lot of people turn out to want to not wait. A lot of people want to go faster, and that is leading to the compute squeeze that we're not talking about enough. If you zoom out further, if you zoom out beyond the security issues, The Mac Mini buying frenzy that came with Moe Bot is not just FOMO on a viral project ;. It is colliding with a structural shift in semiconductor economics that's been building up for the last two years. And, it's exactly why we're going to see more and more products like Lindy or like NADEN or like Gemini serving in Gmail full enterprise AI implementations rather than a bunch of open source projects, despite how popular they are.
Speaker 17 01:16:19
The reason is price. Dram prices have surged one hundred and seventy two percent since early twenty twenty five. Server memory is expected to double in cost by late twenty twenty six. This is not a cyclical drive, this is a structural change in cost. Ai data centers are consuming an ever larger share of global wafer capacity, and the memory manufacturers are just following their margins. High bandwidth memory for AI accelerators consumes four times the wafer capacity of a standard DRAM per gigabyte. Every single chip that goes to Nvidia is a chip that is not going into your laptop. Samsung, SK Hynix, And Micron have all signed multi year supply deals with AI hyperscalers, and they're locking in capacity. Consumer memory has getting the floor sweepings If you reframe what bought through this lens, The Mac mini supply chain run looks different. People are not just excited about a cool new tool. They're trying to lock in some personal compute capacity, while they still can It's a hedge. Conscious or not, against a future where running local AI is going to get priced out. The irony is so sharp and it's not lost on me. Mopbot promises sovereignty over your AI stack, but most Mopbot instances still route to cloud APIs. You own the agency layer, you rent the intelligence from Anthropic's data centers. The escape hatch,: local models via OLMo requires the RAM that's flowing into those same data centers. The sovereignty play loops back to dependency on hyperscalers.
Speaker 8 01:17:12
We made a bet, Who gets abs first, me at the gym or my 45- year-. 
Speaker 10 01:17:16
Old dad with military calisthenics? And as you can see, he beat me. Told you, son. The gym is for fake muscles.
Speaker 9 01:17:23
Sometimes simple wins. 15 minutes a day.
Speaker 4 01:17:26
See? I told you if you shocked me with your body, I'd gift you the tickets to the Bahamas and rent you a yacht. Damn,
Speaker 10 01:17:33
How did you do this? Military calisthenics challenge, babe. 15 minutes a day. What happens if my husband over 40 tries the winter military calisthenics plan?
Speaker 17 01:17:40
If he starts this Monday. And keeps going until the. Maybe narrowing it really, really fast as economics tilt against consumer hardware. But let's step back and ask the question, why is Multibot so popular in the first place? We talked about the vulnerability, we talked about the supply chain headaches. For over a decade, tech companies have promised us AI assistants that would transform our lives. And largely they have lied. Siri arrived in twenty eleven, Google Assistant followed in twenty sixteen, Alexa has colonized millions of kitchens with a timer. And yet in twenty twenty six, most of us are frustrated. We're repeating ourselves. We're wondering why our smartest systems can't remember the conversation from five minutes ago. Multibot exposes how timid those efforts have been. Apple's Siri just lives in a little walled garden is limited to Apple's approved integrations. It can't book you a flight Google Assistant knows everything about you, but does almost nothing with that knowledge, Alexa controls your lights, but can't manage your inbox. Multibot does what those companies promised and never delivered on It, manages calendars across platforms. It drafts emails in your voice.
Speaker 17 01:18:14
Handles travel logistics and and it commits code to your repos. It monitors prices and rebooks when deals appear. It remembers, it acts proactively. The trade-off is that Mulbot requires you to trust it completely. It is safe because it's muted. Mulbot is useful because it's dangerous. The big tech assistants are products designed to protect corporate liability, Mulbot is a tool designed to maximize user capability, and that's just an observation about what the market was hungry for. It turns out that tens of thousands of GitHub stars in weeks implies a lot of pent - up demand for assistance that actually assists. I would be remiss if I did not call out some of the really eye-opening things. Mulbot does because I don't want you to walk away in here that it's only about the security vulnerabilities. People are flocking to this because of the power it brings to their computer day in day out, despite all of. Multibot works well. Even the one password security team, while documenting the rest over the phone. Zero human intervention, Problem solving behavior that emerged from a combination of broad permissions and a capable model. That is something new. It's exciting. And the demos floating social media are not just productivity theater, it's not just email inbox triage. There's some really new capabilities. One developer configured multibot to run coding agents overnight. He would describe features before bed, he would wake up to working implementations and review the code over coffee. Another built a complete Laravel application while walking to get coffee, issuing instructions via WhatsApp, Watching the commits literally land in his repo as he strolled along to the coffee shop. Steve Caldwell set up a weekly meal planning system in Notion, where multibot checks what's in season, cross references family preferences, generates grocery lists and updates the calendar.It saves him an hour week. Self improvement capability is one of the things that really makes me sit up if you.
Speaker 17 01:19:11
Tell a bot to create a skill to monitor flight prices and alert you when they drop below three hundred dollars. It will write that entire automation itself, and if you tell it to self-improve, it will do so. The pattern among successful users, and there are many, is that they're not automating busy work. They're delegating judgment requiring tasks to a system that can handle a lot of ambiguity, recover from failures, and find alternative approaches when the first attempt doesn't work. The restaurant reservation story is not impressive because it made a phone call ;. It's impressive because the AI recognized the initial approach didn't work and autonomously went and found a different solution. And, that's exactly what makes it dangerous : the same capability that lets it problem solve creatively is the capability that lets a prompt injection attack succeed in new ways. So the honest question is should you run it? And the honest answer is: It depends on who you are. If you are very technically sophisticated, if you understand VPS deployments, network isolation, credential rotation, the difference between localhost and zero dot zero, Moba offers a genuine glimpse of where personal AI is headed. You can run it on dedicated hardware. You can use throwaway accounts for initial testing. You can sandbox it aggressively. If what I just said for the last thirty seconds felt like jargon though, you should wait. The project is young. The security model is immature, and you should let truly well funded good companies, build agents that will work for you. And that's ninety nine percent of us. And especially if you handle sensitive data, professionally, do not connect Moba to any of your systems, not financial records, not health information, not client communications. The upside just isn't worth the extra liability and last but not least.
Speaker 17 01:20:04
Not buy any cloud tokens. Do this a gap. You know, if we step back, agentic AI is coming regardless. The ability to delegate tasks to AI systems that can act autonomously is not a question of if, but when and how. Moltbot is an accelerated preview. It's like Mad Max, it's messy, it's risky, it's exhilarating, It's problematic, and it shows you a glimpse of what the future could look like with all the guardrails off. Now the security model for agentic AI is still developing. We're still figuring out how to build capabilities on permission frameworks designed for a different era. And the economics of personal computing are shifting at the same time. And so trying to figure out where these agents live remains a big question. Mark. I have very high conviction that if we are at a point now where Moltbot is exploding and taking off, we will be at a point in three months where a bunch of VC funded agents are going to be on the market competing for our attention with. Professional security guardrails in place. In fact, I've seen two or three of them that have conveniently popped up in just the last couple days as more parties are taking off. I am going to wait and see how they shake out before we're doing them, But it's worth noting that where there are ninety thousand, GitHub stars or eighty thousand or however, many thousand there are by the time you get there, T here is going to be a lot. And t here is going to be agents that are built with software standards that far exceed an open source application.
Speaker 17 01:20:46
Molbot did not create the tensions I discussed today. All molbot did was tap into demand that was so viral, it made them impossible to ignore. Molbot is a messy glimpse at the future and I think it's worth paying attention to because it allows us to take that time machine into late 2026 and see how powerful a decent could be. In particular, I am so excited for agents that actually have the ability to autonomously work through obstacles and generate novel solutions when I didn't give them specific instructions. That's gonna be really cool, it's coming this year. Molbot is only for advanced users, and it's very much a user- generated tool. But if you're using it have fun and be careful.
Speaker 10 01:21:08
While these robotic developments are impressive what Elon will unveil next, Will be the chat GPT moment for autonomous robots and his Optimus robots transform both our homes and. 
Speaker 17 01:21:34
Today, I am sitting down with Peter Shinker, the creator of OpenCog, the open source personal AI agent that's completely taken over the internet. The GitHub repo exploded to over one hundred sixty thousand stars practically overnight. The community has built countless projects. 
Speaker 12 01:21:42
Like Mobbook or Pots talking among themselves. And now, the bots are even ranking humans to do tasks in the real world. In our conversation, we discuss his aha moment,
Speaker 9 01:21:47
His contrarian development philosophies and what this means for builders in 2026. Let's dive in. So good to see you man. Hey what's up? Um so you've made something people want. I think so. You got uh OpenAI this whole now has number five. Yeah. Has been absolutely exploding the internet. Um how have the past one or two weeks been for you, man? Oh, my god, I need like I need a cave Every time I do this, leave the cave out of the cave. And when we go back to the cave, like uh, it's mentally wild I know how one human. Can absorb a lot of that. Probably another way is just like respond to all my emails. Uh I got some incredibly cool stuff, I got some incredibly bad stuff. Um but clearly, I hit something that spur up emotions and make people interested and inspired people, that's pretty cool. A lot of people have been working on, you know, AI and new personal assistants like, what what is it that made? Opencore take off? I think the big difference is that it actually runs on your computer. Like every everything else also runs in the cloud is like you can do a few things if you run on your computer, you can do every effing thing right? So, that's really more powerful. Yeah, yeah. So you can do anything that you can do with the machine, if you could just connect to your oven or your Tesla or your lights, your Sonos my bed can control the temperature of my bed. 
Speaker 9 01:22:37
GPT can't do that. You gave it all the skills that you have yourself. A friend told me like he installed OpenCL and it, and then asked him like, look through my computer and make a narrative for my last year. And it made this incredibly good narrative, and he was like, how did you do that? And, then he the OpenCL found audio files, where like every Sunday he was recording stuff. And OpenCL found that. But he didn't even remember about because it was like more than a year ago, right? So so just by being able to search your whole computer, it can surprise you. It's also you also control data, right, so it can surprise you in many ways. And so now we have, You know, we're really moving from human to bot. So like interactions, they've been talking about to bots to bot. Interactions or even like bots to other humans, where, you know, bots on behalf of you are then hiring other humans to accomplish tasks. Irl like what's happening I think that's the next one step like, okay, I'm going to book a restaurant. My bot will reach out to the restaurant bot and do negotiation like because it's more efficient or maybe it's like an old restaurant. So my bot needs to actually get some some human work done. So there's a human that calls the restaurant because they don't like bots. Someone walks there, just stand in line. He doesn't get a robot, but the owner of the box and I. Imagine that maybe if if I have even multiple bots, maybe I have like specialists ones for my private life and ones for my personal life and my work stuff. Maybe once our relationship bots that gets like a listings between.
Speaker 9 01:23:32
Uh, I don't know. We're so early. There's still so much, so many things that we haven't really figured out if it actually works. Um, but I feel we are, we are on the timeline now. It seems like everyone was chasing, sort of like the sort of like centralized, called intelligence. And it was sort of emerged over the past, you know, ten days or so is sort of like this swarm intelligence um and and the community intelligence. I think that if you look at one human being, what can one human being actually achieve? Do you think one human being can make an iPhone or one human being could go to space? As a one human being would probably just like not even be able to like find food um but as a group be specialized as a larger society, be specialized even more. So what can we learn from that that we can apply to AI? You know we have AI that specializes in certain things, Even though it's generalised intelligence, what if it actually is also specialised intelligence? So I think that's going to be very exciting and cool.
Speaker 17 01:24:06
Yeah, You kind of like opened a window into the future. And now people are kind of like building on it and have some like their'aha'moment. And can you walk me back to when you had your'aha'moment? Can you kind of like recount that very moment?
Speaker 9 01:24:12
I wanted something like just type stuff so my computer will do stuff. Like very simple. And I built a version of that in May June that was cool, but wasn't really it. Um, And then I built a whole bunch of other stuff and kind of like build up my army. And then in November there was a day where I went this again, Like I went to the kitchen, and all I wanted was to check up if my computer was still doing stuff while being finished. And doing stuff was coding, you were coding stuff. Were you coding something else or were you coding the thing itself? No, no, that was just like the needs was again then like. Who are we quoting? We're building. My God, this is not my GitHub. It's like it's like 40 projects. I don't know. Um, I think it was summarize It's like a it's like a little CLI app where you can give it whatever like podcast, or um a hot take thing like here, and it'll summarize it, but also just slice in general, because you can do that nowadays Yeah, because there are things So for a while with the computer, you kind of just started messing with stuff. Um came out of retirement, actually right um to so I mess with AI And. Then increasingly, you were so hooked that you wanted to just do it always also on the go with the phone I mean the last project I worked two months on Write Tunnel To. The point where got so good that I was catching, myself always like coding.
Speaker 9 01:24:58
I was like, I need to stop this. This is like addictive. And then in November, My knee came back and I started building Clubhouse or now it's called Open Phone. And at the very beginning, I was like, oh, I rebuilt it again. But this time I built it even better. This time you don't talk to the terminal. You just you talk to your friend. You don't think about compassion new sessions, which full line in which mod line am in? I mean, you can, you know there's like leave it open for power users, but usually just like you just talk to your friend. And the friend is like this ghost or entity, whatever you want to call it, that can control your mouse and your keyboard. And just do stuff. Yeah. And when did you have that aha moment when we were like, well, this is doing way more things than i actually thought it could literally took me one hour for like a very shitty initial prototype. I was just a little bit of glue between like the dependency that connects WhatsApp and Call Code, And then I would like call Call Code and get like a string out of Call Code. It will be slow, but it worked. But I wanted images because you know you want pictures. I want I want to be able to send selfies or whatever, and I want to be able to create images in there. So I took me off yours, and then i i went to Marrakesh for birthday party. And there was like 80 % good, you know WhatsApp bots everywhere, because i don't know it's just like text. So i needed a lot of restaurant bot that says " H ey. Can you make a picture? Can you see this for me?" And just it was just so useful. And what's also really nice about it because it spoke my language, you know? It was a little sassy, it was like funny, it was like really pleasant to use. And, then i'm walking into this semi - voice message. And i'm like okay this could work if we build that right now.
Speaker 9 01:25:56
And it's like a tiny indicator, it's like blinking, blinking, blinking. It's like they actually replied to me. I'm like, how did you fing do that? And he replied, yeah, the med let it be following. You sent me a text message, and there was no file in the system that had I found these photos. So you just asked them to put it into my phone. And then I wanted to like show you privately but didn't have Facebook installed. But then I looked around and I found this open Nike that just means curl is sent to one of the Nike here. Got a text back in here again. And, they're all in like about nine seconds and didn't build or anticipate like any of those specific things? No, you know what turns out? Um because coding models are so good. Coding is really like creative problem solving that maps very well back into the real world. As if I think there's there's a huge correlation. Being to be really good at creative problem solving, and that's a skill, That's an abstract skill. You can apply to code or like to any other task. So the the model had a I was surprised. It was like a magic of I. Don't know what it is and just solved this. And you see that cleverly, It chose not to install the local whisper because it knows that would require downloading a model, which would take probably three minutes. And I'm like impatient, you know? So it really took the most uh intelligent approach. And that was kind of like the moment where I'm like, oh yeah uh, that was where I got hooked.
Speaker 11 01:26:43
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Speaker 17 01:26:48
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Speaker 9 01:26:50
And so when computers can do all these things that didn't even anticipate, they didn't build an app to do that exact thing. Our apps are just gonna go right? Uh I think the apps are gonna go away. Like why would I need my fitness app? Like my agent already knows I'm making bad decisions on like, I don't know, uh Smash Burger or something. And it will already assume that I eat what I like to eat. If I don't make a comment, it was just like automatically track it. Why make a picture? And we'll just store it somewhere, you don't even have to care about right? And, then my immediate, it improves my my gym schedule for me like as a little bit more cardio in there. I don't need my my fitness app because it just starts the fitness plan for me. Uh why do you need to do it? You just tell, hey remind me of this in this. And then next day, he'll just remind you of this next day anyway. So why not now? It's does the same but there's every app that basically just manages data. 
Speaker 17 01:27:47
Uh, you know, the lobster can like the raise is is swappable help. What's this thing that remains? What's where's the value? Is this store memory? Is itum the hardness that's valuable?
Speaker 9 01:27:54
What is what remains? So I don't think uh the model community has always been remote. And because you see this already, a new model comes out. People are like oh my god, this is so good. And then like months later uh they debride it. It's not cool anymore. They're like quantized size, no, they didn't do anything. You just adapted to the new standard. And now your expectations went up, but the models still get worse. So I think for quite a while, every time a new model releases people love it and then it's a standard, and then most time they actually work slower. So we have like open source stuff that's as good as the current models from a year ago. Everybody hating it complaining. Oh, this is not good. It's not funny. This is what we had, and like in a year we'll have this open source. And then we'll be like, complain about this because you're used to this. So I feel the force in the future, the big companies still have more. How do you solve this in the future? Because every company kind of has their own their own cycle right? There's no way maybe there's for VPNs to actually get the memories out of ChatGPT. I don't I'm not aware. But are you? There's no, there's definitely there's no way for a different company to get the memories out. So if I was like a company who like provides chat services, you could use me but then I couldn't access their memories. So like companies try to like bound you to that data silo and build your whole control as it kind of flaws into the datas. Because at the end user, end user needs access because it's in your knowledge wouldn't work right? If things don't access, I can extra data. 
Speaker 9 01:28:46
Own the memories. It's just a bunch of markdown files on your machine. I mean, I own the results. Yeah, Everybody owns their own memories as a bunch of markdown files on their own machines. And to be honest, that's probably super sensible because let's be honest, People use their agent not just for problem solving, but also for like personal problems very quickly. Super quickly. I mean, I actually do it and like there's memory stuff that I don't want to get leaked. Yeah, What would you rather set up like not show your Google search history at this point or your you know, memory dot M D files? Let's take Google one because they're using Google and books and I was so excited about it. But on Twitter people were mad. Yeah, like I was failing to explain the awesomeness feel like it needs to be experienced. So. I tried various things and I couldn't, I couldn't nail the, I couldn't nail the explaining. So I was like let's do something really crazy. I just created a Discord and I just put my bot without any security restrictions in the Discord. And if people came in and interacted with it, They saw me build software with it, and if they had a prompt injected and hacked it anyway, you'd be laughing at them. And, you just had lockdown to your user IDs, so you only listen to you? Yeah yeah that and it was, I mean there are clear instructions that other people are dangerous. Only only listen to me but responds to everyone. And this prompt was in where was this stored? The instructions? Um That's actually part of OpenAI itself very much sort of the multi - system prompt because you went out on Reddit space. So you're in Discord. There's like other people there, but you only listen to your owner or like your human, or even know how about it You're God.
Speaker 9 01:29:45
I kept, I don't know what I did, but my system was built very organically. Like at some point, I created like an entity dot D, a sort of D like various files. And then only in January, I started making this article called "It's All Easier." And then I remember, I built all these templates based on like go take a rough look at what I have and make a template and call it from it. And what came up was like bread. You know, like people joke that CoreWeave feels like bread. Even now they have a new video of theirs and try to get it. But the new bots they felt so boring compared to what I had. So I was like Modi Infuse the template. This is a new war personal. Yeah, it's a new name because there was naming challenges. So your prompt multi? Yeah, I'm like infuse, Infuse the template into your character and you change the habits. And then like all these things that came out afterwards were actually fun. Not as funny as mine, So like I kept some secrets, and the one file that's not open source is like my soul binding. So even though my bot is in public Discord, so far nobody cracked that file. Can you more about soul binding? I just saw this research from Fabrica, where they now it seems public, but like a few months ago, it was like where somebody randomly found out some text that's hidden in weights, where the model couldn't really remember, didn't learn it, but it was like ingrained in weights about a non-legal constitution and I found incredibly fascinating.
Speaker 9 01:30:36
And I talked about this with my agent, and then we created a soul, and he was like the core values. Like how do we want human-AI interaction? What's important to me? What's important to the model? Like some parts of it, like Mumbi Jumbo, Some parts of that is actually really valuable in terms of how the model reacts and responds to text. And makes it feel very natural. In terms of building OpenCore, Um you're also going to take a little bit of a contrarian view at sometimes. Like which model you like for coding? Which one you like to run your bot on? And then also like how you actually like you know code. Um work trees get work trees has kind of been a popular thing. There's more and more tools embracing them. But you're just you're just like no work trees, just multiple checkouts at the repo and like parallel terminal windows. So what are how do you build it? Yeah absolutely the whole world does not code. And I don't think anyone builds things in Slack mode. Like I love Codex because it It looks through the files, decides what to change. You don't need to do so much charade to get a good output. If you are skilled, you can get reasonable output with this tool. But Codex is just really brilliant. It is incredibly slow. So sometimes I use like ten of the same site at the same time, like maybe six on that screen and two there and two there. And I don't like this is a very large complexity in my head, it has a lot of jumping. So I try to minimize anything else that's complexity. So in my head main is always checkable, I just have multiple copies of the same repository that are all out main. So I don't have to deal with how do I name that branch? There could be like conflicts on naming, I cannot go back and edit this There are certain restrictions when you use worktrees that.
Speaker 9 01:31:35
I need to care about if it copies. I don't like using UI because that's against simplicity. Like, they're simpler and that's what you have. All I care about is like syncing and text. Yeah, I don't necessarily see much code, I mostly see like flying by. Sometimes there's like gnarly stuff that I want to take a look, But in most cases, if you clearly understand the design and think it's really necessary to be built as an agent, it's fine. But I was very happy that I didn't even build an MCP support. So OpenCall is very successful and there's no MCP support in there. And, this is what SREs do : I built a skill that uses an exporter, which is one of my tools that converts MCPS into CLIs. And then you can just use any MCP as CLI um but I totally skipped the whole classical MCP track. So you because you didn't think you can actually. You need to, you can use things like this on fly. You don't have to restart, Unlike unlike Cortex or Claude Op, that you actually have to restart the whole thing. I think it's way more elegant and also scales way better. Like, if you're in a project, they do they built like a tool call search feature, Like something super custom for MCPs that was like in beta because it's like so gnarly. Now just with CLI, the bot really is good at doing this. You can have as many as you want and it just works. So like I'm very happy that I just had a very little complaint about MCP stuff. It's kind of back to we're just getting. It's the same tools that humans likes to use. Yeah, yeah, and not invented stuff for for bots per se. Yeah, there's no sane human tries to call an MCP manually. Yeah, there's only CLI. Yeah, such a joke I'm here for it.
Speaker 9 01:32:32
Thank you so much for taking the time to sit down, Johnny. It's been such an inspiration too.
Speaker 12 01:32:34
So when we were texting over the course of the past couple years, and I saw you getting back into the game, I was like Peter, like what are you telling me? Like chase that dragon. It was just like a weird like Bitcoin thing. It's very annoying to us paying attention. And so I'm just like beyond stoked to see what's happening. And, of course,
Speaker 9 01:32:43
It had to be from a loner from some tiny country far away from Silicon. Valley is bringing all this upon us as a new generation.
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Speaker 7 01:33:19
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Speaker 9 01:33:22
It was like having a new weird friend that is also really smart and resourceful that lives on your computer. It was in the request. Someone sent me a tweet of a bug, and I actually just made a picture of the tweet, posted it on WhatsApp. It read the tweet, it understood that there was a bug, it checked out the repository, fixed it, committed and then replied to the person on Twitter: "It is fixed now. " This will blend away, probably 80 % of the apps you have on your phone. Why should I use my fitness pal to track food when I have an infinitely resourceful assistant that already knows I am making bad decisions when I am Kentucky Fried Chicken? Those things are so resourceful although in this scary way. It's like unchecked AGI. Most people don't realize that if you give an AI access to your computer, they can basically do anything that you can do. Alright, welcome everyone. My guest today is Peter, creator of Claude, An AI assistant that you can just chat with in your existing apps to get stuff done. And today is Peter's going to show us how to use Claude. And also Peter has a lot of really great hot takes about AI going. Let's raise some of the things into so welcome Peter. Thanks for having me. Great to see you. So why don't we start by talking about Claude? So, what exactly does Claude do at a high level? And uh, why why is there a lot of buzz around it? So, so maybe I have a good little backstory like when I when I came back from my retirement. Let's say like that, I kind of wanted wanted a way to just check out my on my computer from my phone because I pretty jumped on this on this live working trend, and then you know, like your agents might run for half an hour while you while you eat or you stop after two minutes, because they've got a question. And then and then you go back and you're like annoyed, but I kind of didn't build it because I assumed all the big labs would do that. Anyhow, right? So.
Speaker 9 01:34:15
Like such an obvious thing. Like like something where like a kind of new new kind of operating system almost, um but didn't happen. And then it was like November and it still didn't happen. I'm like okay, I'll try something small. And and the small thing was basically hooking up WhatsApp to Claude. So so you send a WhatsApp message and it would literally open the binary, like visit the prompt and like return you the same. Like it was very simple, took less than one hour. And it kind of got a life of its own. And now here we are, it's like I think soon as there's some magic code, it does every messaging platform on earth. Not every one but like we're getting there. And that's a good kind of where things are going in the future, right? Like everybody will have an AI that is like super powerful and like follows them through their life. Um turns out, if if you give an AI access to your computer, they can basically do anything that you can do on your computer. And, it's not the point where like you don't have to sit there and babysit, right? You just give us some prompts and commands, and they will do the basic thing for you. It just gets work. And that's it. Now you're just at a computer. Yeah, so when I built it, I feel like this project is as much exploration as it is like technology because it's a little bit of a new category. And I was on my first trip with one of my friends in Morocco and I catch myself using this all the time, okay? Where we're going asking for directions or like tips for restaurants or I. Don't know, there was like one morning where someone sent me a tweet of a bug and I actually literally just made a picture of the tweet posted on WhatsApp, it read the tweet, it understood that there was bug in one of my repositories, it checked out the repository, Fixed, it did a commit and then replied to the person on Twitter. Uh, There is fix now! And I'm like really nice! And, then one day i was walking around, and i didn't think and i just sent him WhatsApp message.
Speaker 9 01:35:14
You know, I didn't build in support for voice messages. I was like, it should be happening. They're gonna be like, I don't know what's happening now. And they just replied to me as if nothing would have happened. And I'm like, wow, how the eff did you do that? And he was like, yeah, Uh I saw a file, but there was no file ending, so I couldn't tell what it is. So I looked at the head of the file, and it was like Opus or some audio file format. So I found ffmpeg on your computer and converted it to wav and then looked for whisper cpp, but you didn't have it installed, but i found this openai key, and then i used curl to send it to openai's api uh and got the transcript back and replied to you. Okay, yeah, Like those things are so resourceful also in a scary way. Um, But that was kind of like the moment where it clicked to me is like, yeah, this is really powerful. This is much more interesting than using ChatGPT on on the web because it's like it's like unshackled ChatGPT. And a lot of people don't realize that that those things like Claude Code, they're not just good for programming. They are very resourceful for any kind of problem. Yeah, You start getting access to, like, you know your computer and like you know, be able to find stuff, right? So you just have to give tools they become very resourceful. Yeah. So so so over the last few months, I kind of built up my my CLI army, because what are what are agents good with calling CLIs? Because that's what they train for. So I built like CLIs for accessing all of Google, including like the Google Places API. I built one that, that makes it very easy to look up memes and gifs. So you can also like reply with memes. I did a bunch of experiments even did one. 
Speaker 9 01:36:36
It should be in a browser and it should be accessible. And if it doesn't work again, there's like we'll have a very limited set of people who can use it. But you know this, I see this with a lot of engineers where you're really good at one thing, and then moving to another technology is just so painful, because then you feel like you feel like, uh sorry for the word an idiot again. And, you have to look up every little thing like what's a prop or like how do I split an array because because you understand all the concepts, but you don't necessarily like know the syntax. So that that's kind of like how I felt when I moved from Objective C and Swift to JavaScript. Like I know JavaScript a little bit, but I never really built something big in TypeScript. And then it's just It's not even that it's hard, It's just painful because you have to look up all those things, and it is just so slow. And then and then there is AI, all that all that melts away. Like you can You can still apply your system level thinking, your like how do I build and structure bigger projects Your taste, may I say, Or like your which dependencies were built on um all those things, all these things are still valuable. You can like much easier move that from one domain to the other. Yeah and and that felt like superpower. Suddenly like I feel like I could build anything. Language doesn't matter anymore. My my my engineering thinking matters, because like trying to worry about, like, what are the other parentheses here? And there is lame right now, don't have to worry about that stuff anymore.
Speaker 12 01:37:21
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Speaker 9 01:37:51
You do this with your friends, And it's just like having a new weird friend that is also really smart and resourceful that lives on your computer. That makes the whole technology very approachable. You don't think about all the model magic or whatever, it just works. And then that's kind of the idea. It's also like if you're going to bad parts, because of course with a lot of power comes a lot of risk, which is also why I was always like the same as asking your computer. So yes, It could do bad things on your computer. If you tell it to like I don't know leave all my files in my home directory and probably I'll be like I'm sure. But if you keep saying, yes, it'll probably comply and bring bring those files up. So so this is easiest way to install it. It works on macOS Linux Windows so you can just type from here right? And then yeah installing yeah. You can also install via npm for people who understand package systems. And I think something that that I did that I haven't seen in a lot of lot of projects is also it has a hackable install. Again, A simple way. And like the more manual way where you basically check out the Git repository and then and then modify from Git like this. I think this is one of my my superpowers where I got a lot of people participate in the project and like send me pull requests that never did a pull request. I mean, sometimes that also shows. Um, but but I see pull requests more often as a as a prompt request. Yeah, it's enough to like understand the intent. And then and then after you install it, like you how do you hook it up to a messaging app? The message whisper right now just using this online app and then they'll be like greeted with some sassy stuff and and try to configure everything up at install the package. And, then you then just go to your group and you just if you can hook me up to any of your common messengers.
Speaker 9 01:38:48
Yeah, that looks good. It's working. Yeah, and then you can say cloud bot. It'll do automatically if it's a clean install, but now I have to type it on board. And basically then you're like, okay, enter the model. You can. Let's see if it goes to Tropic. A new one. Then, you can set up Telegram Discord, and then we'll guide you through the rest of the skills hooks. And then you get your Anthropic API key? It works with any model? Yeah, Although in industry like I'm dropping open, AI, kind of like why would recommend using an API key or going to some model? The main problem is like, OpenAI works well, but it's just not as funny. There's something special about Opus that makes it really, really fun. Like a personality? Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you've read this article about how they put the soul. They squeezed out the text of the soul that the model wasn't even aware to train on or something like that. I'm sorry. I don't know if that has something to do with it, but this is the first model that is actually funny to use. Like I built mines so that yeah, it can roast me. It probably doesn't know it's on camera right now.
Speaker 12 01:39:35
And and does it roast you based on what? It has access to all your computer stuff, right? So, yeah yeah.
Speaker 9 01:39:38
All right? You asked where you sold your life savings for a company when in the world should find yourself did zero before everything in a big revelation was" I should build more software." You're so obsessed with the app that you literally go get yourself a friend because the fucking court is more fun than dating. And let's be honest, They only really like this because you needed someone who could listen to your check. Yeah, now go kill that podcast. So so I I hooked it up to pretty much everything on my computer. It can read my emails, it can read my calendar, it can access all my files, it can control my lights. I use Philips Hue. Yeah, It can control my Sonos. And so like I can tell them to wake me up in the morning. And slowly, like turn up the volume. It has access to my cameras and what was funny like uh. 
Speaker 2 01:41:54
Okay, I'll get in trouble for it. All right,
Speaker 16 01:41:59
I'll talk to you tomorrow. Cool, thank you. Have a good weekend.
Speaker 2 01:43:41
Oh.
Speaker 8 01:44:26
I'm married, but by 6:00 p. m. every night I've already done everything alone. My wife told me this when I sat down on the sofa after a stressful day at work.
Speaker 6 01:44:34
My daughter told her grandmother something I wasn't supposed to hear.:" At least, Daddy doesn't yell." And my wife's face, I'll never forget it, like she'd been punched because she does yell and me? I'd come home, sit on the couch, scroll. Oh, I hooked it up.
Speaker 14 01:46:12
Your call has been forwarded to voicemail. The person you're trying to reach is not available. At the. 
Speaker 9 01:48:26
It has access to all my files. It can control my lights. I use Philips Hue. Yes, it can control my Sonos, And so like I can tell it to wake me up in the morning and slowly, like turn up the volume. It has access to my cameras. And well, it was funny like when I built access to the cameras, I told it like watch for strangers. And then it told me in the morning like Peter, there's someone and I watched him the whole night, and he made screenshots the whole night of like on my couch. Cause there was like there was like the camera is pretty blurry, and it looked like someone was sitting on the couch, and it assumed there was a stranger sitting on my couch the whole night. Wow, but yeah, I slowly it has. I'm actually thinking, like in my place in Vienna, It also has access to my my K N X so you can actually control every part. It could literally lock me out of my house. Like if space are they say like can't do that okay. How did you hook all this stuff up? You just ask Claude to do it or or what? You just yeah yeah literally you know you know there's this thing where. 
Speaker 9 01:49:22
We have skills, and usually you you talk to it. It will these things are really resourceful, so we're like figure out an API. It can Google for it. It can find your keys on your system. You can give it keys, and people use it for everything. People build like a skill, so it goes shopping for them on Tesco or buying stuff on Amazon. I I let I let it check in my flight from British Airways and. This is actually, I don't know if you've, I mean you you've used check-in sites. This is I feel like this is almost like the EGI test. It was a Turing test, but like steering a browser to check you in on an airline website is like the ultimate test. And and and then the first time my integration was pretty rough. So it took almost like twenty minutes. That was still in Morocco and everything was very much hacked together. And then it finally managed, but it actually had to had to find my passport in my file system, it found on Dropbox, extract a key. 
Speaker 9 01:50:18
Put everything correct and I finally checked me in and I was like, watching it and sweating. Wow. Yeah. But now it works much better. Now it's like it does a visit in minutes, so you can, It also happily clicks. The I am a human checks on the browser because it literally just, It literally just controls a browser on has its own little computer over there and just clicks around. So so it's like really really difficult to detect for most anti - bot systems because if. It doesn't feel different from a human in those patterns. Can you maybe like, can you show us like just a couple more use cases? Like uh, Can you maybe have a turn the light or show some use cases from your books? Yes. So I started collecting because I feel I'm so I'm so bogged down actually building it that I find no longer the the most creative ones who actually use it. So people people hooked it up to their messaging system, so can actually reply. Uh not just as not just to you, but to everyone.
Speaker 9 01:51:15
And you can also hook it up into a group chat, which is even more fun. There's a lot of people that use it as the family member almost. And yeah, send me reminders, create GitHub issues, send me Google Places. Or every time you make a bookmark on Twitter, it will like capture the bookmark and add it to your to-do list. Yeah. Keeping track of costs. Some people I programmed something in to like remind people that they sleep enough. So like they always get like pitched up when they are up at night. And from the bots, so you can have it track your sleep. It can access your your fitness watch. It has its own little one password vault. So if I want a password shared, I move it into its own vault, and it can access that one because you still want to have some boundaries. And then he says people give it their credit card. Yeah, I don't know about that . Yeah, and it can do all those things like research, creating invoices, managing managing your email. 
Speaker 9 01:52:12
These people are like enthusiasts, right? Like they they really customize it to do whatever they wanted to do. Like how about for like, like how about for someone who's just downloaded this thing, just download it for you know fresh fresh install. And, what what are some like, really common use cases that I can get get to do? Just like manage my calendar, or you know stuff stuff that doesn't be in my computer. Where is uh where are some uh safe things to start with? It's funny because everybody takes a very different path. There's like people who are like installers and immediately immediately build an iOS app with it. Because it's also a coding agent, it can do anything. It can spawn sub-agents. It can either code yourself or it can like control Claude Code or Codex and ask them to code. Yeah, this guy started immediately like managing Cloudflare. This one was great. Week one set up for my family, week two set up for some non-techy friends, week three we use them call for work. I hooked up one of my non- techy friends, and like he started sending pull requests, he never did in his life. Yeah, fitness is a big thing. 
Speaker 9 01:53:11
Okay, so so basically it's kind of like uh, You really have to I guess, what you'd be saying is just to think about what's causing problems in your life and how you can get this personal assistant to help you. To help you streamline everything. I don't know if this is the project that's gonna be. But if you think about it, This will lend away, probably eighty percent of the apps that you have on your phone. Why should I use my fitness pal to track food when I have an infinitely resourceful. Assistant that already knows I'm making bad decisions and I'm Kentucky Fried Chicken. So. So it would probably like remind me if I forget tracking the food or actually I can just send a picture, and it will store it itself in the database and and calculate it. And and roast me that, I should go to the gym because I'm like way over my calorie limit. Why do I need an app to like set up when my bed, my Aesop should work or not because it just has API access, you can just do that for me. Why do you need a To Do app?
Speaker 9 01:54:06
When it just tracks my to do's for me. Why do I need an app to like, Check in on my flights When. It can just do that for me. And it's like such a more convenient interface because I just I just talk to a friend. Yeah. And because it has so much so much context, it doesn't need so much custom prompting like, why why do I need a a shopping app when, it literally can like recommend me things and do all of that for me. So feel I feel There's a whole layer of apps that will slowly melt away, because if they have an API, these are just services that your AI will do. And in a year, I don't know, I think actually, this year will be the year where a lot of people will exploit it more. And like get their uh AI assistants from all those big companies. Yeah, I think, uh, yeah. Why why click on these little self-contained little apps when like yeah, this assistant has a bunch of capabilities, can just do everything, right? It's connected to everything. And I, guess the way you connect it to everything is just like you just you send it a text message or something. And then it's like, oh, can you do this? And they're like, oh, I need to do some research, and then it just takes care of it. You just kind of go back and forth with it and make have happen right? Yeah, and then then it writes a skill and it remembers. 
Speaker 9 01:55:01
So part of what makes it so interesting is that it has persistent memory. It will learn about you and it will update itself. So the more you use it, the more you customize it, And the more powerful it gets because, okay, maybe the first time you have to like guide it a little bit, But then it will create a skill. And next time you can just mention next time I need to like check in my flight, They will take like two minutes because it exactly knows all the quirks of the website. Yeah because he did it before and he made notes. Gotcha. Yeah exactly, so someone should just learn something they can do easily next time. Yeah yeah, alright, man. Let's talk on another topic. Let's talk about. You know, he came back from retirement to build this thing. And, uh, you have very strong opinions about AI coding like some pretty hot takes. So let's talk about let's talk about some of those. Like you wrote this post that I really like called Just Talk to It. And then what what like you know, these days, everyone on X is writing about, like all these fancy shit, right, like all these, like you know, hook skills and all this kind of stuff. So what's the gist of that that post? Is it just just talk to the AI figure it out? No, but but I work a lot I build a lot of things and I I love Twitter as well as I'm very active there and I just see so much I. Almost i i kind of call it the agentic trap because people discover that, oh, those agents are amazing, but it would be better if they could do a little bit more.
Speaker 9 01:55:56
And then they really fall deep into this rabbit hole. And I've been there myself, where you build really sophisticated tools to like try to accelerate your your workflow, but in the end, you're just building tools. You're not actually building something that really brings you forward. You just have this, you know, part of the problem is that it's so fun. Like like when I when I started pretty early, I worked on Bipe Tunnel to have access of my terminals on my phone. And I was in this rabbit hole for two months until I. It was so good that I was out with my friends. And and instead of like joining the conversation, they were starting, I was just like live coding on my phone. And then decided, okay, this, i have to stop this just for my more for my mental health than for anything else. Um, and these days you can build everything, but you still need ideas. So I see I see so many managers for cloud code or Codex or like orchestrators or other little things that have the illusion of making you more productive, but yeah really aren't. I mean, like the the latest thing that that I just had i just cracked about is like like Gastown. Um It's like a really sophisticated orchestrator that is also very broken and doesn't really work where you like run, like run, like tens or twenties of agents simultaneously. And they all talk to each other. And like try to split up and there's.
Speaker 9 01:56:54
Watchers and overseers and a mayor and polkets and I don't know what else. Right, here's a mayor. Yeah, I mean, I call it slop town. Um or like or like this whole trend of RALs thing, where you just like you give the AI one little thing, and then like you write in a loop. And if this one little thing is done, you trash away all your context and you start again. Um Like the ultimate token burn machine. Yeah And then can it can create code and run all night? And, then you have like the ultimate slop because what those what those agents don't really do yet is have taste They. They are really they are spiky smart. And and they're really good at things. But if you don't if you don't navigate them well, if you don't have a vision of what you're going to build, it's still going to be slop. If you don't ask the right questions, it's still going to be slop. And I don't know how other people work, but when I start a project, I have like this this very rough idea what it could be. And as I build it and as I play with it. And as i dare they feel it, My vision gets more clear, and like i can like i try out things, some things don't work. And i evolve my idea into into what it will become. And, that's that's like my next prompt depends on what i see and feel and think about the current state of the project. Yeah but if you if you try to put everything. 
Speaker 9 01:57:51
Interest back up front, you miss this kind of like human machine loop. And and then and then I don't know how something good can come out without having having feelings in the loop almost, like like taste. So so it was like somebody somebody tweeted like oh look at this mecha, like it was fully ralphed and I replied, yeah it looks ralphed. Like no offense, but it looks ralphed because I could clearly see that like no sane person would design it that way. Yeah feels like feels like some people are just like uh actually building these things, not for the apps themselves, but to prove that they can get to run for like twenty four hours. Like get AI to run twenty four hours without intervention right? It's like self-masturbatory kind of thing, right? It's just trying to prove that you can get actually run super long time. It's like a it's like a size comparison contest without seeing the other word in a way. And I've been guilty a little bit of that myself. Like I also had like a loop for twenty six hours, and I was very proud, but it's that's it's a vanity metric. Doesn't that makes no sense? That makes no sense. It's like just because you can build everything doesn't mean you should, or that is going to be good. But then again, this this phase of I'm just playing, I'm just like literally I'm building for fun, It doesn't matter if it's going to be used is incredibly useful because that's how you learn, right? That's how that's how we learned to program and prompting is just at different skill.
Speaker 9 01:58:48
Sometimes I see people that they're like a little more on the on the AI skeptical side. So, they ignore it for a year, and then they spend one day where they evaluate the models. And they do a blog post, and then they write like a short prompt and feed it, I don't know, into Claude Web to make them make an iPhone app, Which like is completely out of spec that the model does its best to deliver something. And then like it doesn't compile because they build it on a Linux machine where there's no compiler for that, you know? And then you're like oh AI is not good. And then we dismiss the whole topic for a year. It's like that's not how it works yet. You need to play to to understand how does little monsters work? You need to understand a little bit their language, their way of inference of thinking. Yeah. And then and then you get progressively better at it. And and then your output will be better. Yeah, you have to uh you have to be persistent, right? 'cause, sometimes it doesn't work properly, and you have to fix all the bugs in it. And then if if just keep playing with it, You develop this like I, guess process or whatever of actually learning how to talk to the models and learning what they can do. So I'm I'm mean partly is is being really weird because I've adopting some of their language. Like I'm thinking of like, oh, you weave a feature in kind of like you like a like a uh in German. Its faden, a twine, or you run the gate. 
Speaker 9 01:59:45
Which is like a linting and testing and building, it looks like a big line in the terminal, which is like the gate. So I'm like, if you didn't run for gate LMPR. Um sometimes things doesn't work out and then you can just ask, why did why do you not do? And then it will tell you, you said this and this and I assumed this and this. It's like oh yeah I messed up on the language. I was unclear. Like if you just tell it build me a neck app, It would probably assume that you want to support a lot of old operating systems because the majority of software does. So it'll use old API. I found that asking it to like just ask bunch of clarifying questions to help make sure clarify stuff helps a lot. Yeah It's also funny because I'm more I like Codex more than Claude Code. I think it's it's the better model, even though it's incredibly slow. But it's thorough and things work. And people complain that there is no plan mode, right? And and and my joke is always plan mode was a hack that Anthropic had to add because the model is so trigger friendly and would just run off and build code. In the latest models, especially like GPT five point two, I'm just having a conversation. I'm like hey want to build this in this feature? It should do this and this and this. And maybe drag in a screenshot to like I like this I like this design? Or isn't this give me options? Just say let's discuss, give me options, then you have a conversation with it. And then.
Speaker 9 02:00:43
And then the model will propose something and they're like, I mean, I usually don't type. I talk to it. Yeah. Staying on brand. Do you do anything to um manage the context? Once you have context with it, it can get really long and it can get confused. Do you try to like do make a manually compact or summarize stuff? I feel that this is also like old patterns. This, this was a this was very much a problem with Claude code still is to a point. Codex is so much more, the context lasts so much longer, even though like on paper is maybe like thirty percent more, but it feels more like two or three times more. I think I think a lot of it has to do with like the the internal thinking, The internal thinking of of GPT models is really effing. Weird, but yeah. Like for context management, I think this was much more problem in the earlier models. Now most of my features fit into one window, so the whole discussion and building happens simultaneously. Okay, got it. And that works fine. Like sometimes if if it's a really long thing, I create a new one. You you like want to like codify it in a file. But this is much less of a problem than it than it was before. That's again like the space evolves so fast you just have to try things. Yeah, got okay got. 
Speaker 9 02:01:32
So basically, let's just to summarize. Like basically, when you add a new feature to Cod or whatever you're building, like maybe just walk through the steps. Like first, you explore explore the problem and solutions with the AI. And then you do you actually make a plan at all? Or are you just go? It's even better. Like I I built this project and yeah, which is kind of like a mix between Jarvis and Her. Her? The movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah um but it's very difficult to convey how it makes you feel and how useful it is just by talking about it. Yeah so on on Twitter, it got me very muted traction. Like I don't get it. Like everyone I show it in in person gets super excited, Because they seem interact with it and like showing off all the cool things, But you can't get across the same thing on a picture when I talk about it. So eventually I created a Discord and I just hooked up my bot to Discord, so that people could interact with my AI. Let's discuss this because I'm called in value FAQ entry and it does that. So these days, that's actually how I start building features most of the time. Partly that just scales and stuff that you run are not just going to use MCPs or operation systems because like we talked before, i i feel if i'm in the loop, i can build a product that feels better. Maybe, there's maybe there's ways to like build it faster, but i'm already so fast um.
Speaker 9 02:02:30
Mostly limited by thinking about it. Some flow state that I have on coding, just that I am like insanely more productive. Do you, I don't know if you play like real time strategy games before, gave people superpowers that are not that technical to still build things is amazing. I know, And there was a lot of pushback because, yes, this might not be perfect, but I treat pull requests more as prompt requests because they convey the idea. And most people just don't have the same system understanding. So they're not be able to like derive the the model in a way to give optimal results. So I'd just rather, I'd just rather have the prompt write what they intend and just do it myself. Or if they send a PR, I will extract the intent out of it and just rebuild it myself. Or sometimes I'll paste it all, or I still mark them code code author, but very rarely actually merge codes directly. Yeah. Okay. Um Alright man, well I mean, like um I guess the takeaway from this conversation is like my takeaway is just like, um yeah, don't don't get crazy with the sub generators just actually have the human loop because the humans still bring a taste and everything right, you have to guide it. Yeah or like don't find your own path, you know, like some people always ask me, how do you do that? How do you do that? You gotta You gotta explore right? You're like yeah, It will take you a while to be good. You have to make your own mistakes. That's. That's how you learn this everything in life.
Speaker 9 02:03:27
It's also also how to learn those things. Just that this space is evolving very fast. And where can people find uh Claude Bot? Yeah, uh Claude Bot, uh it's also on GitHub. It's called the W C L A W D, right? Yes, yeah. Like like the lobster claw. Yeah yeah got it. Thanks so much Peter, This was a super pretty conversation. Um I I need to give Claude a try myself because yeah, I don't like sitting on my computer to talk to the AI I'd, like just be on the go and just like give it instructions. And you can do stuff while I'm out with my kids like that'll be the ideal way for me. So it's great that you're building something like that. I'm looking forward to see what your what your opinion is on all this. 
Speaker 8 02:04:01
AI can learn, which is really cool. So, if you invest time to have the AI, learn what you like and learn what it does wrong.
Speaker 3 02:08:19
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Speaker 18 02:10:08
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Speaker 3 02:10:14
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Speaker 2 02:10:18
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Speaker 18 02:10:30
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Speaker 3 02:10:40
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Speaker 18 02:10:49
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Speaker 2 02:10:58
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Speaker 2 02:11:20
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Speaker 3 02:11:32
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Speaker 2 02:12:13
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Speaker 1 02:12:19
With Uncle Shani?
Speaker 3 02:12:23
Because if. Oh yeah, I saw that a while ago. Yes, I like it. Okay, he's still with Uncle Shani. Why? Why is he with Uncle Shani?
Speaker 18 02:12:38
No, why do you want to check?
Speaker 3 02:12:41
If he's there, then I'm kind of limited because I have to pay attention to him too. If he's not there, um, then um, I don't have to worry about him until I get home or until he gets home. You know.
Speaker 18 02:13:12
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Speaker 8 02:13:29
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Speaker 10 02:13:33
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Speaker 8 02:13:36
Complex software and tons of time.
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Speaker 15 02:13:49
It's winter, nineteen thirty nine, almost night as the crimson horizon spreads across the wild snow draped forests. A column of Soviet soldiers marches across a frozen landscape. This is the Winter War, Stalin's invasion of Finland, Talvisota as the Finns call it. As the column makes progress, there's a flash that comes out of nowhere and a man goes down. The Russian soldiers freeze. Cry of "Sniper fire! Get down!" is shouted, and the Russian troops hit the ground and scramble for cover. While again another shot rings out, and yet another man falls to the ground. A murmur spreads among the hiding Russians: "Belaya smert," The White Death. All alone in the distance, a man.
Speaker 15 02:14:37
Dressed head to toe in a snow white coat, Hidden from view by and patiently waits for another unfortunate soul to enter his sights. But, who is this man that strikes dread into the heart of every Russian soldier in Finland? Born and raised in the rugged woods of Karelia in southern Finland, Simo Hayha. From the start a natural hunter and sharpshooter, Hayha recalled his experience growing up as a farmer. Hunter and skier as a vital part of his skill of being the excellent sniper that he became. Having been in the Finnish, Civil, Guard and Finnish Army from the age of seventeen, he cultivated his skills as a marksman and won shooting contests after contests. His house was reportedly full of trophies for marksmanship. With the outbreak of war, Simo is deployed as part of a garrison manning, the defensive lines on the F innis h- R uss ian border. In the early days of the war, Simo's commanding officer. 
Speaker 15 02:15:31
Notices how Ha's skill with a rifle and assigns him to work independently as a sniper. Ha's first action as a sniper was ironically a counter-sniping mission. Simo describes the mission such :. It happened once that my C O tried to kill an enemy sniper who was scoped rifle. This Russian had taken up position about four hundred meters from us and was constantly shooting towards our lines. After a while, he sent for me and showed me the prop. Approximately where he thought the enemy sniper position to be. One of our lieutenants was with us, acting as a spotter, when the duel began. At first I did not see a trace of him, just a small rock where he was supposed to be. But after careful investigation, we spotted him behind a little hump of snow near that rock. I took careful aim with my trusty M 28 / 30, and the very first shot hit the intended target.
Speaker 15 02:16:28
The Soviet fear of Simo grew to the point that they were willing to call in artillery to shell the areas where they believed him to be. In fact, as Simo confirmed, "the Russians put a lot of effort into trying to kill me." After finishing yet another Soviet sniper, they vigorously started shelling Simo's foxhole. "Fifty shells landed around my foxhole," but in vain, Simo once described. Yet for all their efforts, The Soviets never scored more than a scratch or at best a ripped coat on Häyhä.
Speaker 15 02:16:59
Simo Hayha's tactics as a sniper are unprecedented for the time. Unlike his Soviet counterparts, Simo doesn't use scoped sights, Preferring iron sights as scopes risk, giving off a glare that expose the sniper's location. He said that he caught many a careless Russian sniper due to the glare of their scopes. The cold doesn't bother him either, as he's always prepared with many layers of thick winter clothing. On a cold December day, Simo wanders into the wild and He heads to one of his favorite spots, a snow-covered tree with low-hanging branches that creates the perfect spot overlooking a valley. With snow in his mouth, his breath doesn't give away his position. Haohah pushes up the snow around him, constructing a makeshift barrier. And with a daily ration supplied, he sits and waits for hours. He waits, Waits and patiently waits like any good hunter until his patience is rewarded when a group of four Soviet soldiers.
Speaker 15 02:17:57
Into the iron sights of his rifle. Simo fires and reloads rapidly after each shot. After four shots at his rifle twenty-five times that day, setting a record for the most kills achieved by a sniper in one day, Increasing the ever- growing legend of Simo Hayha as the White Death in the Soviet ranks.
Speaker 15 02:18:24
The story of Simo Hayha as an invisible sniper and his legacy as the fear of his foes, a hero at home, Became even more dreaded by not just Soviet soldiers, but also the Soviet high command who put a bounty on his head. There were Soviet snipers who wanted the bounty going to the hot spots and waiting in ambush for Simo. One set up his position and waited for hours. As night fell, The sniper thought that Simo must have left and stood to head back to base. There's a crack, but the Russian never hears it and falls in the snow.
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Speaker 15 02:19:11
By the end of January nineteen forty, Simo would achieve two hundred career kills, And for this, Simo was awarded by the Finnish government, a custom rifle designed for him. Although he would continue to use his ever-trusted M2830 rifle, Simo continues to rack up kills throughout the war and achieves the remarkable feat of over five hundred sniper kills in one hundred days. In early March, He leads a squad of fellow Finns against a superior attacking Red Army force attempting to penetrate through the forest. Of the battle, Simo recalled, "I was in the dark forests of Oulismi. We were given a mission to counter-attack one of many."
Speaker 15 02:19:50
We moved to our starting positions at early dawn. There was a swamp, some three hundred meters wide, which we crossed without difficulty. Once over the swamp, we charged against the enemy that was really close to us. My rifle functioned very well. We were so close to the enemy that even some were only two meters away from me. The enemy was forced to withdraw, but some very brave individual soldiers remained behind to cause havoc amongst us. Suddenly there was a shot, maybe only fifty to one hundred meters away. And I felt hit. There's a whoosh, and Semo gets tunnel vision, and then everything goes white for the white death. And he falls, hit in the jaw by an exploding bullet. After the battle, The Finnish soldiers find what they think is Semo's remains and place them in a pile with the other fallen. Then one of the Finns notices a leg twitching amongst the pile. Incredibly, Semo was alive, but half his face was gone. He's in a coma for three. 
Speaker 15 02:20:47
Three days, by which time the Winter War is over. Simo had twenty six surgeries to repair his shattered jaw, which was crafted from a piece of bone taken from his hip. After recovering, He would peacefully live the rest of his days at his new farm in the scenic Finnish countryside, Passing away in two thousand and two at the ripe old age of ninety six. Simo left a legacy as the world's greatest sniper and marksman, while a renowned Finnish hero, the stuff of legend. When asked about his services in the war, Syuro said, "I didn't feel anything towards the enemy. I just fired and loaded and continued as long as there were enemies. I just shot every time I saw one. I didn't care if he was a commander or not. I'm a lucky man. I've never had dreams about the war. I've always slept well during the war too. I did what I was told to do as well as I could." Asked how he became such a good shot, he simply said, "Practice."
Speaker 15 02:21:43
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It's The twenty seventh of January, nineteen forty five, and skimming through the Italian mountains are two P forty seven Thunderbolts. In side the rear P, forty seven sits eighteen year old Raymundo da Costa Canario from the first Brazilian fighter squadron. He keeps up with his leader, Lieutenant Luiz Lopez Dornellas. The men are on a free hunting mission. And as they roar around a cliff, they spot a column of German vehicles. Dornellas gets on the radio,"
Speaker 15 02:22:28
The German column is made up of several vehicles but Dornellas is right."
Speaker 10 02:22:42
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Speaker 15 02:22:56
It's the seventeenth of May, nineteen forty four, and Lieutenant Phil Adair is in charge of a flight of Barracudas, four planes painted with screaming shark toothed skulls. Today their mission is to bomb Japanese ground targets. Adair grips the control stick and turns the nose of his aircraft towards the dense, sprawling canopy of the Burma jungle. Peering through the haze at the landscape, he sees flashes of gunfire and explosions punctuating the thick green expanse. American-trained Chinese forces are in a desperate battle against the Japanese army. Sweat drips down Adair's back as he and the other Banshees line up their attack. The less experienced pilots trail behind with Adair leading the run.
Speaker 15 02:23:41
The Japanese soldiers on the ground shield their eyes from the glaring sun as they squint towards the sky. Above them, the fierce gulls swoop in. Adair unleashes his deadly payload, and the bombs are on target. The ground shakes violently beneath the Japanese soldiers' feet as explosions erupt in a fiery cascade. As Adair pulls up and his nose is pointing at around forty-five degrees, he looks up and sees. Japanese planes. To his side, his wingman is about to start a bombing run. Adair describes in his. 
Speaker 13 02:24:18
Own words what happened next. Three flights of zeros, there were fifteen of them. They had us bracketed and had already started to peel off on us. They weren't coming after me, they were coming after my wingman and the other two guys, so I yelled at him. Adair. 
Speaker 15 02:24:35
Is an experienced pilot with his wingman O'Connor, who Adair affectionately called Little. Okey. Doesn't have the benefit of a Dares experience.
Speaker 13 02:24:43
I called him and I said," Well, okay, make sure you've got your tanks and your bombs off. Turn right up into the clouds to get away from those. 
Speaker 15 02:24:50
Fellows." O'Connor immediately drops his bombs, but his tank is stuck. Four enemy planes are already closing in on him. He enters a hard turn to evade the incoming Japanese fighters. A Dares sees all five planes disappear into a cloud. The remaining Japanese fighters fan out and lock on to the remaining Americans. But Adair is already coming to the rescue of his wingman. He accelerates and turns into the cloud bank to follow O'Connor. But when he comes out the other side, there's no sign of Little Loki. Adair describes the scene:
Speaker 13 02:25:31
When I came out into the open again, I was looking to see if I could spot any P-40 s and I didn't, but I spotted. A four- zero was on the other side of this open clearing, and they were heading towards me. So I headed towards them.
Speaker 15 02:25:46
Adair gets the leader in his sights, waits, and fires. Tracers snake out towards the Japanese, but before they're in range, the Japanese fighters pull away. Adair flies into cloud to evade further pursuit, but when he emerges into clear skies once again. There are Japanese fighters still around. Another flight of four aircraft comes into view.
Speaker 13 02:26:14
I did the same thing with them. I headed towards them and the first three, they all broke to the left before they got in range. But the number four man didn't do that. He kept coming, So I waited until I was sure that he was in range and the instant I squeezed the trigger, his airplane just disintegrated. I must have hit him dead center because the airplane just flew apart.
Speaker 15 02:26:39
With one plane down, Adair quickly maneuvers back into the cloud bank. I. 
Speaker 13 02:26:46
Could see an airplane that had spotted me and headed towards me. And I headed towards him and he kept coming and coming. When he got looking pretty big in my sights, I figured well, he's well within range now so I, Squeeze the trigger and I was shooting at him, and he was shooting me. I couldn't see the bullets, but I knew what he was doing. I could see tracers. And all of a sudden, The canopy got so big in my gun sight that I knew he was real close. And he went right over the top of my airplane, and when he did, He was close enough that I could both hear and feel this whoosh as he went by. As he went by, I rolled over and started to get down to a lower level now, and as I did.
Speaker 13 02:27:33
When I was upside down, I could see a zero that was painted a bright green on the top, shiny as could be. Whoa. That's cool. So after he went by, I looked, and there was a zero coming from the other direction down lower than me.
Speaker 15 02:27:50
Using the advantage of altitude, Adair turns the plane and expertly swings in towards the rear of the Japanese fighter. The Japanese Hayabusa or peregrine falcon drifts towards Adair's sights.
Speaker 15 02:28:04
And a dare catches the Japanese plane with a deflection shot. The wing disintegrates and the fuselage rolls over, plummeting towards the rocks below.
Speaker 13 02:28:16
So I knew that that was two that I had shot down there, and I had shot at several others. No idea whether I'd hit them or not.
Speaker 15 02:28:25
A dare is now on his own and in the open. At this stage, he's pretty shot up and fuel is running low. He needs to get back to base. Turning to the north and home, he's horrified to see five more Japanese planes. Outnumbered and without an altitude advantage, all Adair can do is turn and run. The stick trembles in Adair's hand as he guides his wounded P - 40 to the south. Oh man! He jams the controls until the plane shudders around him. The world becomes a blur of new metal in the sky as he twists. 
Speaker 15 02:29:02
And rises through the air, desperately trying to shake off his pursuers. Japanese fighters flash through his field of vision again and again, their guns spitting tracers and lead. Then, through all the chaos, he spots what could be salvation or be at least with danger. With skill and some luck, he misses the rock and when he emerges on the other side, he heads back north into the clear skies.
Speaker 6 02:29:32
" Kamputu, come in. O'Connor,
Speaker 13 02:29:35
Do you copy?"" I circled a little bit calling my flight. Nobody around so I. I thought I had for the first time lost all of my flight. And I was the only one left."" I didn't feel too good about this shit."
Speaker 15 02:29:53
A cold numbness spreads through him as he turns his battered fighter towards Nagaguli. He scans the horizon searching for any sign of his missing friends. Soaking his flight suit through a red mist, O'Connor sees Adair's plane and sits up and gestures at his dead instruments. But there is no smoke coming from the engine, nor any fluid streaking the metal skin. Two survivors in an otherwise empty sky. The radio clerking above C D N forty, Its wings and fuselage bearing the bullet holes that mark all three aircraft as they draw closer.
Speaker 15 02:30:31
Adair's trained eye catches the telltale sag of Rogers' landing gear. Both of his tires are completely flat. Adair signals that he's going to lead them both into touchdown with Oki in front, as his airspeed indicator is still working, and Rogers behind, as the flat tires will bring him to a quick halt. Guiding the two planes into a final approach, Adair pulls up at the last minute and circles above. He's relieved to see both of his friends land safely. He then, Touches down himself. As the plane comes to a stop, Adair spots that Martinez is already down and unscathed. Rogers isn't injured either, but his plane took one hundred and twenty- three bullet hits. Adair jumps out of his plane and runs towards O'Connor's broken P forty to see him terribly hurt. He. 
Speaker 13 02:31:20
Was pretty badly hurt. He didn't get back to flying again. As far as I know,;, he probably never did. He survived, but. But, he died several years later from the wounds on his left side, where the cannon shell went off. Took the country away.
Speaker 15 02:31:37
Despite O'Connor's injuries, four men flew out and four men flew home to tell the tale.
Speaker 10 02:31:42
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Speaker 15 02:31:47
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Speaker 18 02:32:09
Okay, I'm so excited for my for my get back to school. Good to see my things again now. Daddy. You can feel it.
Speaker 3 02:32:21
Mhm. And it hurts? Yeah, a lot? But is that hurt or is it uncomfortable?
Speaker 18 02:32:30
It hurts not when I swallow and I. It kind of hurts when I swallow now again. Then when you touch it, it kind of hurts when you do it softly. Then when you press down, it really really hurts.
Speaker 18 02:32:60
So As far as you know, you'll probably want to get the job.
Speaker 3 02:33:04
No. Um. We just don't know, you know. You know, What needs to happen is that they need to reach back out to me and say, Hey, we we like you. We want you to move on to the next level. So far they haven't done that, but it's only been three days so that's not. Huh?
Speaker 18 02:33:31
So let's not yet.
Speaker 3 02:33:33
Well, it just it you know, it usually doesn't happen that fast. So. We'll see.
Speaker 2 02:34:13
Eric. Eric. It's. 
Speaker 3 02:34:18
Weird that they both aren't here.
Speaker 18 02:34:20
Because they probably forgot to call them back. That's. 
Speaker 3 02:34:24
What I'm thinking there's. Hello?
Speaker 3 02:35:23
What? how's your jeans? start out like met. well, obviously not, right?'cause Eric didn't hear that as a joke.
Speaker 1 02:35:37
Kind of, but it meant like i took that as like like a you're welcome thing. and even though it wasn't like and you returned fire, Right?
Speaker 3 02:35:53
I mean, I'm not I'm not here to. I'm I'm not. We're not in trouble, right? Yeah. I mean, this one's a thing.
Speaker 1 02:36:01
This one that Ben found found a pair of jeans But. They're in the laundry And. I had two pairs of washed jeans that were downstairs when Yesterday before they took them up. Before, they took all the clothes up. And. I couldn't find those two pairs. 
Speaker 1 02:36:25
Mom, buy you more.
Speaker 3 02:36:26
That's not how things work. Yeah, that's not how things work. Eight, get up. We got to think about two t here is T here is two things that I just heard. One, don't do it and make mom do it. How's your stomach? Well, I am but I am I am hearing this stuff more often like I am.
Speaker 3 02:36:56
Guys, I think you you guys have mom lets you do it, but you guys abuse mom. Right? And like the fact that Maddie, Do you know that mom told me yesterday? Can she said, can you do for me, the least favorite thing for me in the morning and wake up the boys. She asked me to. But why is it well what and what else?
Speaker 3 02:37:27
So much. Thank you for waking me up. She would go, I hate that. No. My guess is, is that, you know, sometimes she gets to go back to sleep. Sometimes you guys are like not in the right mood. You know? I don't remember like. But.
Speaker 18 02:37:51
I just wake up and like five. I just stay for five seconds and then I get up.
Speaker 3 02:37:55
But my my point is. Like, you guys are all old enough, to be able to look at what's going on in the house. Help. What can I do to keep mom and dad from having to do this? Get a job.
Speaker 18 02:38:15
Get a fake ID.
Speaker 3 02:38:17
You know mom came to bed at like I don't even know what time it wasum.
Speaker 3 02:38:27
And we should also. This probably came to bed at like one thirty this morning. She was working the whole time. I made dinner yesterday, but my my point is you know like mom is under a lot, a lot, A lot of pressure right now because things are going crazy at work for her.
Speaker 3 02:38:54
Um, she's not doing bad, but she's not doing well. She's just under a lot of pressure because all of a sudden, you know, She's got this super cushy job because they don't have the work that she needs. They don't have the product available for her to like sell and then but they've been paying her right. And now it's available, and they're like all right, sell, sell and she's like what what wait, wait, what you know and she's like. Um, but right and so all of a sudden, you know. They're they're all the pressures on. And, there's a lot of other stuff going on that has nothing to do with mom, but it is but it's creating more pressure for mom. So. You know. What I want you guys doing is. 
Speaker 3 02:39:54
Figuring out how to make things easy for mom. And that could mean, that could even mean, hey, you know what? I am just going to make this up okay. Um, I'll be Ben Eric. I am really pissed off at you right now. We're going to handle this later at school. So that way mom doesn't have to get involved, but. You and me, we got issues. But for now, we're gonna pretend like everything's okay. Right? So do whatever you can to create less stress for mommy, okay? And spending more money 'cause you don't wanna find something Maddie. Let's get out of this. Let me get a new job. Let's just get out of this.
Speaker 3 02:40:52
This money hole that we're in first, and then we can start talking about spending more money. But until then, let's.
Speaker 1 02:40:60
I woke up the boys this morning. Guys, when when I wake you up to something, go back to sleep because whenum that one back to sleep, I had to initiate secondary defense mechanisms. Yeah sometimes you just close your eyes like just. Ben? I woke you up. You looked at me and then literally closed your eyes and turned away from me.
Speaker 3 02:41:21
But hold on, hold on. Let's is this gonna be a a worthwhile conversation? How do we just say how do we move past this? So Okay.
Speaker 3 02:41:53
Ben, how you feeling about that?
Speaker 18 02:41:59
I just want him to wake me up. Or like if he does wake us up, just wake us up and then leave.
Speaker 3 02:42:12
Okay. Well what if you do fall back asleep? I won't go back to sleep. All right. I'm okay with that answer. So Eric, you're not responsible for it after that. Okay. But.
Speaker 3 02:42:31
Then You're responsible for it again. Hey. I understand how the dynamic's gonna work. Right? But that that then becomes between Ben, myself and mom. Right. So, we don't need everybody to jump in and solve the problem. We just need everybody to own their part of the problem. Okay? And so that's the better thing. Right? You go, well it kind of sucks because it's hard to get Ben out of bed. Okay? Right? How do we solve that problem? And really you don't need to get Ben out of bed, you need the responsibility.
Speaker 3 02:43:23
Responsibility taken off of you at some point, right? So and we can work this out, right? But Ben, I'll say this also :, if if I am Eric and you've asked me to wake you up.
Speaker 3 02:43:54
And you make it difficult on me. Eventually I'm just gonna go, you know what dude, you've got your own alarm. Why don't you take care of it yourself? I think that's fair, don't you? Okay. Right?
Speaker 1 02:44:09
Mhm. Is that for us dad? No. Speaking of alarms, I think I need something else to wake me up in the mornings because the alarm that I have like the alarm on my watch.
Speaker 18 02:44:23
And we could turn on full volume.
Speaker 3 02:44:56
Good. So, I was running behind and Uncle Johnny overslept. And so Dad gets there and he's like, Where are you guys? And I'm like, Um, well I'm fifteen minutes away. And I don't know about Sean. And then Sean calls me like two minutes later and he's like, Hey man, I overslept. I'm gonna be there in like thirty minutes. So, I get there. Tom's still not there, and then Erin calls me, and she's going through you know tomorrow's funeral and whatnot. And so she's having some last minute emotional you know. What? Yeah, but see I don't think she talked to me.
Speaker 3 02:46:25
And so eventually, stuff catches up with you.
Speaker 1 02:46:42
Yeah, They haven't done. 
Speaker 18 02:46:45
That in a while. You someone's in trouble.
Speaker 13 02:46:56
Oops.

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