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created_time: 2025-10-31T06:11:00.000Z
title: 10-29 Planning Session: Legal Education Platform, AI Practice Tool, and Waterproofing Test Plan
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Speaker 1 00:00:24
Not good to trip and fall first thing in the morning. Oh, yeah. How's everything going? How's the last few days? I wasn't here yesterday.
Speaker 2 00:00:36
Yeah, so we came yesterday, and I'm told we're good. I'm here to verify. Yeah, so my thoughts are, I was going to have somebody come today. We want to do a little, we'll put our waterproofing on like three different sections. And I told my guy at first, I'm like, he's like, should I go there, should I go there? Like, well, hey, go to Stradella.
Speaker 2 00:01:06
And I was like, nah, we haven't told him we're coming. I know they'll let me in just to look at it. We might come to you. That was good, man.
Speaker 1 00:01:19
I thought about it, right? Of course. But of course.
Speaker 2 00:01:49
You know what's interesting? You just got to think. I wonder if you could create some sort of language learning model. You know what I'm talking about. I'm assuming I don't have to explain. No, no, no. So the language learning models is the AI's ability to, like, that's what, that's the underlying, you know,
Speaker 2 00:02:20
could you, could you create, like, a, you know, a chat GPT, right, that says, here, practice with this, and you can pick, like, hostile officer, or, you know what I mean, or, you know. So, my brain goes, because I looked at your website, I didn't, like, study it, study it, but, like, you know, it's, it's, you know, it's, we'll put together, you put some time into it, so, but.
Speaker 2 00:02:58
but could you you know it's it's really about like what are the what are the needs that can you reach into the needs that they don't know that they that they have that upon realises right upon use.
Speaker 2 00:03:29
no i think that's the thing but if you can create something that says like, oh i didn't know i had that news that oh you know i need what this guy's showing yeah pretty much.
Speaker 1 00:03:43
don't because they don't really care about the products they care you're gonna be expensive right.
Speaker 2 00:04:00
I mean, but there's also, like, so I sat down with an old, he starts out, he starts out, like, I walked out, more buddies, this, you know, people, you know, he doesn't hate, so he's in town, but he travels to Andrea. You ever hear of discovered selling? And I said, no. He says, okay, type something that's fun real quick. Imagine a deck of cards, you know, so, here, I'll give it to you.
Speaker 2 00:05:00
Right? Choose one. And you've got, in those, in those, you've got cards and you've got numbers. Which one would you choose? What flag? Okay. Because in the face card, you've got the top one.
Speaker 2 00:05:32
You've got the bottom one. You've got the jacket one.
Speaker 3 00:05:41
What flag. 
Speaker 2 00:05:51
When he grabs his phone, and he turns it over, and he says, Oh, you know what I forgot to do? I forgot to get you to pick the hearts or the suit. Oh, like the spades. But basically, he did the same thing to me. And he's like, what's left? You said you got black and you got red out of the suits. All of a sudden, I say, queen of hearts.
Speaker 2 00:06:25
I say, what's left? He goes, queen of hearts. And for about 15 minutes, I'm like, how the hell am I ever doing that? Right? And he goes, and then he goes, and you know when he explains it, it didn't make sense until I had some time to think afterwards. I just asked him a bunch of questions. And then I said, what's left? I said, whatever I want.
Speaker 2 00:06:57
And because I'm asking you questions, you think you're giving me real answers. But I've designed the railroad. I've designed the track. You know, and I'm tripping out and going, right. And so it takes a lot of practice. You know, I'm sitting there going, man, he has everybody in that company, you know, wrapped around. He came in as a lowly safety guy, and now he's, right.
Speaker 2 00:07:28
And the boss, the guy that ran Neil, only listens to one guy. And that guy, you know, you know what I mean? You know, I make sure, right, right. Well, you know, because I told him, like. I said, you're the, you know, in that conversation, I said, you're the only person that I am, you know, that I don't go up against. And he said, you didn't go up against me. And I said, yeah, but I got to be right. And he goes, and he goes, and that's right. And he's always like digging and digging, working. You're ahead of me. I'm not willing to put in the end.
Speaker 2 00:08:20
And anyway, so what I'm saying to you is, you know, you can use something like that. Even that can be, you know, how do you take over the conversation with the opposite? You're downright right. And, and he's willing to go along with it. Right. And you know what I mean? Like, how do you start doing stuff like that, where it's not like.
Speaker 1 00:08:58
Well, how do you know I'm a U.S. person. 
Speaker 2 00:09:04
But see, I hear that, though. If I can push back a little bit. No, what I hear is, you've got to get the guys by me. And the second you start going, so that has some, I'm missing the term. But basically, I'm here, I'm not really under the jurisdiction of the government. You know, there's that class.
Speaker 2 00:09:35
And that has a very, you want to make sure you're not. And I know, and I question whether or not you're one of these.
Speaker 1 00:09:44
Federal. I recognize the federal, like constitutional. I'm a constitutionalist, in other words, but I'm not a...
Speaker 2 00:09:53
Sure, but there's a lot of people that go, I don't recognize the federal government, right? And you go, right, I don't recognize the authority of this. Well, I'll put you in jail just the same. It's okay, you know? And so you want to make sure to guard. So when I hear your question, I hear those type of people, right? And so now I'm like, oh, I'm dealing with one of those.
Speaker 2 00:10:25
So you've already changed my mindset. You know what I mean? And when you're dealing with cops, what's interesting is, you know, you were brought up with a different culture than mine, right? And so cops, I was brought up thinking cops. And I'm not, here's the nice bit, you know, the positive side of this. You know, but I was brought up. You know, thinking cops are your friend, cops are this, cops are that, right?
Speaker 2 00:10:58
I don't know your childhood, you know, but I know in the black community, cops are not thought of as pillars of sainthood as kids, right? And so what's weird is I've found myself sometimes giving all of the authority to a cop and letting him run me, right? And thinking afterwards, going, interesting, because I always want to respect him, right? You should respect everybody. But I go, interesting that I just gave this guy, right?
Speaker 2 00:11:33
And education doesn't always explain things, but let's be honest, most cops, it's your bum friend that decided he wanted to make his life right and go into the academy and do something with himself, right? And that's a respectable career, it's a respectable decision. And it's like, but I'm paid good money to think higher, a higher level than this guy is. And I let him run me, you know. 
Speaker 1 00:12:02
Right, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:12:03
And so this authority figure comes in, right? And so he ends up being able, through implied intimidation, through power, right? And authority by law, you have to pull over, right? All of these implied things, which you're actually going, yes, you have to do this, but not that, right? So how do you take that and know what's going on inside of that person's head?
Speaker 2 00:12:37
And also from your culture, right, how you were brought up, right, going, I also, I'm fearful of this, how do you meet that fear? Give it strength. You don't need to worry about this, but it's important. It's important when holding a grenade to be comfortable and to understand that if you pull that pin and you let that clip go, you're dead, right? It's important when dealing with electricity, right? But you don't need to be afraid of electricity, right?
Speaker 2 00:13:08
But you need to understand its power, right? I can touch electricity, provided I'm wearing rubber gloves. You know what I mean? You'll be talking forever if I keep on talking.
Speaker 1 00:13:24
No, I understand what you're saying. So it's a pretty much fun way how to do that. That's why I was tripping up on my words.
Speaker 2 00:13:51
Right. And you hadn't practiced it. Yeah! Yeah! But, you know, like I used to tell my niece, my niece lived with me for a bit. You know, teacher's not there, pop quiz, da-da, and I'm a Tasia. Alright, no, I'm sorry. What's your, pop quiz, what's your first name? Tasia. What's your last name? White. Oh, look at that, you just got two out of two on the pop quiz. Is it about the pop quiz, or how well you know the material?
Speaker 2 00:14:23
And she goes, you know. And I'm like, stop it. You know, they've told you, they've told you what the material is. Right. Right? Prepare yourself for the quiz. Right? For you, right? And that's where it would be kind of cool. I might be reaching people. If you can do like a quick little 30 AI thing. So, you know, it doesn't even need to be great for first steps, you know, but right here, practice with our, with our, you know,
Speaker 2 00:14:55
and that's a subscription service or something like that or, you know.
Speaker 1 00:15:00
I do want to do like mock tests. Yeah. That could be good. You know. I want to show you kind of what the, the part that you can't see on my website is this because this is the course section, but I have pretty much all these different areas that I'm going to break down. And pretty much add the best remedies on the private sector, maneuver through them or whatever. So like these, there's only two different types of encounters, either you voluntarily encounter or it's an involuntary encounter.
Speaker 1 00:15:33
And then the rules, the reasons, examples, the definition of both. And then. Going to like my own explanation of like how and what you should do, what they need to have, what you should say and all that. But this is all very basic and boring. It's just me throwing the information there. No, but you just said it. Basic and boring. Boring. Yeah, because most people don't like to read. Exactly. I'm trying to do it in videos, which is this part. But this is about equity, though. So this is just an introduction to it. And I'm gonna have eight modules. So I could drop this and it's going to be, you know,
Speaker 1 00:16:11
different lessons. So remedies and defenses, right? The core topics in this one is latches, estoppel, and acquiescence. And then going into module four, there's going to be seven in this one because there's a lot of stuff that you should know. Are they 11 minutes each? 11 seconds. But these are just templated videos because I haven't uploaded a video. Okay. Telling your videos. I'm aiming to be like 30 minutes. or less but if some of them have to be an hour that'll be it um how many of your friends will.
Speaker 2 00:16:44
sit down and watch that whole video for 30 minutes i don't really have any friends but.
Speaker 1 00:16:49
the ones i do have they're watching yeah yeah they're watching okay so how many other people um i don't know i sit and watch videos all the way through so i can't really instagram culture right instagram culture no if you talk about marketing and marketing well you're gonna, point nothing well, I think that's part of my marketing strategy is to get them hooked enough on the short form content to where it's like, yo, what? I didn't even know this was possible. I didn't even know that existed. And then if that interest is, if it piques their interest just enough, then that could be what gets them to watch the first video.
Speaker 2 00:17:33
Maybe. I'm not knocking you, for the record. What I'm saying is, how do you feel? Keep them engaged. I'm staying on the same theme. Maybe the videos are super short, or maybe it's a long video that just has these pauses after three to five minutes to go, and again, you tie in your language learning model and go, well, let's talk about what we just read.
Speaker 2 00:18:04
Right, let's practice what we just talked about.
Speaker 1 00:18:07
Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:18:07
Whatever. I'm just, you know, or maybe it's...
Speaker 1 00:18:10
I know some of the videos, I wanted to do like a live workshop and have people ask questions. So it's like the viewer is actually, they might have a question that they're asking while they're watching the video, but somebody in the audience might ask it. I was thinking about that just to keep it engaged. Because I actually do plan on doing the event in person, you know, and I don't want to just be, have a PowerPoint and just be going through stuff and, you know, keep it boring. I don't want to make it boring like it's a lecture. I want people to interrupt it and be like, whatever, and ask questions.
Speaker 1 00:18:44
You know, the goal is to be able to answer all the questions. That's the hardest part. But if not, I shouldn't know how to direct it. But it's a work in progress. I don't even know, like... This shit might take a while. It's eight modules. It's about 20-something videos. I'm probably doing the first three. I would like them to be five minutes. I'd actually... Some of them don't even need to be 30 minutes. Some of them is really simple, like how to... The best mailing practices. Like, that could be a 60-second video. But people...
Speaker 1 00:19:14
You won't even be able to sell this. Yeah, like, mailing practices, you know, selling... Not selling. Apparently, sending a manifold, like, where you just fold the letter, and you put, like, a seal on it. We can still do that. And that's actually, like, a free way to send mail. And they call it the Franken-mail privilege or something like that. But I have my notes on all that. And essentially, like, it's supposed... They say it's reserved for, like, congressmen and, you know, the president and stuff like that. But apparently, we can still do it. We just don't need to put their label in with it.
Speaker 1 00:19:47
Like, they're worrying as far as, like, business mail. but we can still do that because the mail purpose the mail they just want to they squeeze it and they just want to go read through it make sure you're not sending like you know crazy stuff like those secrets or no you know crazy stuff that's a freeway that's in mail that's so that's the way to send on the private sector the public sector you do the envelopes and when you send a mail through an envelope it's considered to be either an offer or a uh an advertisement so usually once you keep a that's why like it's a male privilege once you keep a mail like once you keep something that somebody mails you it's considered that you accepted their.
Speaker 1 00:20:21
offer and even unless you respond back to them saying you don't or you return the sender or you reject it and send it back to them um so it's like those little things that's how they default to us when they send you an irs letter and nobody responds to them they're scared don't know what to say and then they go ahead after 90 days they go ahead and go to the judge and get a summer judgment because people don't respond to the letters that's what they're doing because you don't accept like you accepted it because you don't you never responded back you never sent it back to, but yeah just those little things about mail like that took me about 60 seconds.
Speaker 1 00:20:53
uh 120 seconds to say right now but i could say it like that i could just be very short but i do want to give examples like one or two examples which would probably make it.
Speaker 2 00:21:02
about a five minute um but again how do you engage them right how do you get them from glossing over how do you get them from like you know i think there's something to like a language learning model or something like that i think i think that's dope too actually you know how and you can check gpt like how do i how do i turn this into a language learning model how do i in a little.
Speaker 1 00:21:27
circle i i seem to i i'm gonna look into that actually i'm gonna look into that because my my friends um will and thomas they're the guys who got me into this and they're pretty much we meet every month and we're actually working on like creating board games where like it's like ball base but like kind of like, not yukio but for example you you all have you all have a deck of cards like i declare war and you can literally once you get these cards it might be red blue green and yellow but like red is like the prosecutor oranges you know whatever but you you just play the cards right and then.
Speaker 1 00:22:02
if if you get the card that say you start off the game and you say oh you owe me a thousand dollars for this uh security deposit that you that you owe apparently for this apartment and it's been 30 days passed and then the next person they just pull they got the deck of cards they could have a response that could be something that's completely unrelated but it could fit so they can play that card and so on and so forth until somebody wins but like we were just talking about ideas for games um flash cards uh that little a little board game um some type of i guess.
Speaker 1 00:22:38
language learning model to you know yeah i'm telling you it's gotta be here yeah that's true.
Speaker 2 00:22:46
Because educated people will do that.
Speaker 1 00:22:50
Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:22:51
Right. 
Speaker 1 00:22:52
Yeah, it's trying to get them to be... And I'm not downplaying, but... And it also got to pay the $30 to even get to this. So that's the other thing, too. It is a paywall. So I don't even... It's not going to be for everybody. It's just going to be for the people who really just want to learn. And I'm okay with that. Because then those people will go and share it to their people. You know, I'm not in every part of the world, you know? But I know that the few people that I do know, they're going to spread it.
Speaker 1 00:23:25
And be like, yo, did you know? I learned this on TMJ. People just want to talk about it. And they're just going to get shared. I believe in word of mouth. Because I've been doing that for my photography business for a while. Like for 10 years. And I've never actually paid for an ad or nothing. But I always get busy. I mean, I always get work. Whenever I post something, people see that I'm doing something and be like, yo, that's dope. I always get, like, two or three calls per post, and that's how I just stayed working. I only stopped working as much as a photographer because I started getting this job, and I was, like, got comfortable with the predictable income,
Speaker 1 00:23:57
but I just, I definitely know what it's like to, like, not have any type of, you know, like, there's no guarantee that no one's going to be responsive to or receptive to what you're selling, but you just got to have faith, man. You just got to have faith.
Speaker 2 00:24:15
You got to have faith, but you also have to understand your, you know, like, here, let me give you, let me sidestep your 30 bucks, right? How many subscriptions do you have that you've done, like, you know, they're only charging me, like, 12 bucks a year. It's a buck a month. I don't mind giving up a buck. I don't really use that, but, like, every once in a while, I want to use it, and so I like this subscription.
Speaker 1 00:24:39
there's a lot of those i got subscriptions that i'll pay for right now i'll use right you know so i'm aware of them too but still just but your second but your second guess 30 bucks.
Speaker 2 00:24:51
you know what i mean and so how do we make it so you know there's that like i mean you're providing an ongoing resource right and so you want to have an ongoing you know income from it right and so.
Speaker 1 00:25:10
you know the ongoing benefit so that's nice that's pretty much where i do documentary reviews usually some of the other things helping people with like responding to letters um just those things there's a lot of people like i've helped some of my co-workers like right 28 000 in debt from unemployment insurance, I've helped a friend previously with $20,000 getting that dismissed. She went to go see a Minnesota law judge, had her sign an affidavit. She mailed it out Friday. They got it on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 00:25:41
She had the hearing on Wednesday. What are you talking about that one? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:25:45
And that can be a side service, right? That's my, you know, I get them in here. I'm just, and I'm just throwing, I'm not telling you don't on anything. I'm just going, yeah, and, you know, or maybe this way.
Speaker 1 00:25:57
That's the benefit. Like, the only benefits that they're getting is pretty much, like, the document review, consultation, discounted consultation rates, exclusive offers. trying to be creative and like things that i could offer that would want to keep the person and then obviously like live uh so i'm gonna do monthly events so people can come to events and like you know pretty much meet with other like-minded people and also engage in conversation i got uh three levels of chats so like the scholars chat the core chat so people that.
Speaker 1 00:26:29
the scholars are just like people everyday people that don't know right the core group is pretty much people who might have done a few processes and might know a little bit more about the information who also have access to the scholars chat so if anybody in there just wants to ask a question those people can chime in or you know people in the alchemist group which is me and the other leaders in the in the space that's pretty much three of us but um where we could chime in and like you know just facilitate or moderate the the other two chats but that's like access that's like the that's like the trying to not gamify but trying to yeah you know i think you're on the right.
Speaker 2 00:27:06
track, What you don't have is you don't have, um, analytics, right? But you can tell ChatGPT to act like a marketing consultant and look at your website and tell it, say, here's my demographic, you know, here's what I'm hoping to accomplish. Please identify areas, you know, approaches, you know, um, monetization and just start.
Speaker 2 00:27:44
asking it questions. What I find a lot of the times is it's not, sometimes it gives me good ideas, but sometimes it's like, Oh, it gave me that idea, which led me to think of this idea. That was the moneymaker or something like that. When I say moneymaker, like I make a lot of money, you know, but, I've been able to, like, even, you know, I told you I've only been in construction for, you know, somebody, some guy asked me, he's like, hey, when you guys built this school, like, I went back to my boss and I told him, like, I showed it to him, and he asked how long you've been doing it.
Speaker 2 00:28:19
I didn't know the answer. And I said, well, what do you think? He said, to do something like that, you've got to be in here 20 years. And he goes, I've been in this longer than three years. And I was like, yeah, but it's not about, and you're kind of saying the same thing, right? It's not about everything you know. No, it's about how you think about it, right? And I find I've got the right thinking about it.
Speaker 2 00:28:54
Sometimes I just need, like, so, like, when I see a guy struggling on something, I'll go chat to him. I'm trying to solve this problem, but I can't seem to come up with any good ideas. And they're like, this. And I'm like, I don't understand why those help. You know, and it might explain it to me. And I'll go, that's not going to mean anything. And then the guy's coming and going, oh, this is great. You know. Anyways, if I talk anymore, I'll be here all day. And I got a long day. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:29:22
I definitely will look into those land models. And I'll do the assessment. I never thought that. Gee, I do so much other shit.
Speaker 2 00:29:32
If you can think about how much, you know, my wife ridiculed me for paying for the subscription. I'm paying for it too, yeah. And then she started using it. And she's like, oh my gosh, it's so much better. And I'm like, you don't even know how to use it yet. Right. You know, but I also know that you actually don't. ChatGPT is. a language but there's so many other things that you can grab like you don't have to you can see you can make your own right i was listening to some lady said that she created her own.
Speaker 2 00:30:09
language learning so they call them llms um language learning model to you know it's crazy because you can use a chat gpt to create a language learning model but basically she's, i didn't have a way to teach my daughter she she competes in swim and so i created a language learning model and she's not a programmer she's uh audio um and she created an llm so she could video.
Speaker 2 00:30:51
her daughter swimming. And it identifies poor mechanics in her swimming, right? In her cadence, in her, like, and she's like, yeah. And so it wasn't hard. I just had to plug in this, and now I have this app that made me. You know, you can do that for anything. And so, of course, with me, I'm like, you know, when I have time, I'm going to do that with my kid and talk to her.
Speaker 2 00:31:23
And then they had, like, a cheat sheet and whatnot on how she did it. And, in fact, I'll pull your contact info on your website. I'll send you that podcast.
Speaker 1 00:31:56
It's good. It's going in. I'll watch it now. 3-1-0. 9-5-7. And then 45-63. Because, yeah, I would love to do it. That's actually probably better than the board game. Victor, right? Yes. Got it, right? Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 00:32:26
Cool.
Speaker 2 00:32:27
That's my info there. And, yeah, when I get back to my stuff, I'll shoot it at you.
Speaker 1 00:32:33
Yeah, no rush. No rush. But, yeah, that's... And then, so, there's these guys, too, that have, like, a course program. Like, they have, like... Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:32:52
custom websites and so yeah you can even use strategy to help with that all right man i, appreciate that bro no i i i uh it's interesting yeah it's a lot but i appreciate that because you.
Speaker 1 00:33:08
also have a sharp mind too very good i appreciate it i think that's what it you know we're all about helping each other so all right keep it peaceful happy loving place like you know because that's really what it is it's just a whole bunch of people who don't have the education that's all of it like it's that's where most yeah but not everybody's obviously you're gonna get in the pocket it's just not like not everybody's made the same all right not everybody's made the same and.
Speaker 2 00:33:40
so you've got you know like my brother's super smart and i'm super smart but we're not the same, We're not the same smart. Like, I don't read textbooks. I can't.
Speaker 1 00:33:50
Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:33:51
But I can walk into an operation with all these things, and I go, you see that, that? And my brother's like, I don't know how you see that. You know, it's just.
Speaker 1 00:33:58
Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:33:59
And it's just, but ultimately, you know, at the risk of crossing lines here, I'm a Christian, you know, and one that has submitted, you know, my life to Christ and not just say, oh, yeah, I could make a prayer once, you know. But it's like, I want to go in, you know, it's Matthew 5, Matthew 5, 16, let your light shine among others so that they might see your light, right. 
Speaker 1 00:34:29
Yes, you want the hunters to open it, just hit the top open front gate out to the left. Yep.
Speaker 2 00:34:36
But Matthew 5, 16, just let them, let them see your light that they might be towards your father's in heaven, right? It's basically like. I'm going to do a few things, because I need them to know that he's doing it. That's my speech for today. All right, then.
Speaker 2 00:35:48
Thank you.
Speaker 3 00:37:17
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 00:45:44
Maybe it's a monk.
Speaker 3 00:46:45
Thanks for watching. 
Speaker 2 00:48:16
It looks nicer today. How are you? Doing well. I just took a couple videos so we can kind of go, okay, what's next steps? Looks good. I don't think they're going to be coming back. There's a couple areas you go, you know, in the sense of like...
Speaker 4 00:48:42
I think Kelly might, come by today.
Speaker 2 00:48:47
I'm going to have my boss hit her up. I almost brought one of my guys today because I want to do a little. cold test. What we do is just we put our waterproofing membrane, over a couple spots where we go, you know, that spot worries me. Because we really don't know. We think we know what these products are but we really don't know. And then we'll come back a day or two later.
Speaker 2 00:49:17
we rip it off and then if it sticks to everything right then we know we're good it doesn't stick, essentially i can see your guys so you do one layer of membrane and then you so whenever we do membrane it's always too late right so you let that one dry and then you put another one on top and then you let both of those sit for 24 hours so what we do we'll put that layer in it's wet.
Speaker 2 00:49:55
we'll put a mattress down that measure is sticking out like two six inches and then we'll let that dry and then we'll put that second layer on all right it's just a little 12 by 12. yeah yeah yeah and uh then we come back with a fish hook scale you know. If I can pull it off, if I need more than 15 pounds of pressures to pull it off, then I'm good. If it's less, right, if it's less than 15 pounds, right, then we got a problem.
Speaker 2 00:50:31
And then at that point in time, then all of those little areas that are questionable, we got to take off. Gotcha. So, and that's why we're kind of like, no, guys, take it off, right? Right, like, so, but basically, so it would look like, there might be like a hole here, a hole there, a hole there, like that didn't stick to the hand.
Speaker 2 00:51:06
But I almost said it today, I was like, no, I haven't told them, I'm here if I can pull it off, but they'll care if I can't, you know. All right, well, I'm gonna use your facilities and get out of dodge. All right, man. Give a good day.
Speaker 3 00:53:03
Me too.
Speaker 3 00:56:14
you.
Speaker 2 00:58:10
I came to review the result of the demo that took place yesterday, period, in general, comma, I think we have a result that we can work with, comma, it is very similar to what we were left with with...
Speaker 3 00:59:12
at rocky point period i would like to do three or four full tests in questionable areas.
Speaker 2 01:00:14
tomorrow. Remove them on Monday. Period. I will review videos with Corey and determine next actions.
Speaker 5 01:04:02
Alex Ungwa said to tile crew, are you stopping by Home Depot this morning? We don't need anything right now, but if you are, I can get the list ready for you.
Speaker 2 01:04:24
Not unless you need something, period. Happy to go.
Speaker 5 01:09:13
alex said to tile crew we are good for today we'll send you this later tonight.
Speaker 6 01:25:45
Resembling salvation, in the sense that nothing further can trouble the serenity the soul had to expel with some breath. Chapter 2. The Victory of Christianity. When heaven is going to give a great responsibility to someone, it first makes his mind endure suffering. It makes his sinews and bones experience toil, and his body to suffer hunger. It inflicts him with poverty and knocks down everything he tries to build. In this way, heaven stimulates his mind, stabilizes his temper, and develops his weak points. The book of Mencius, Chinese, 300 BC. We have seen how different societies equipped their members to face suffering.
Speaker 6 01:26:16
Having looked at how different cultures have done this, we will now examine how this has played out in different centuries, particularly in the West. Philosophy to save one's skin. The classical author Cicero famously argued that the main task of philosophy is to teach us how to face death. The fact of mortality and death to Cicero necessarily creates fears, unfulfilled desires, and sadness. It is the purpose of philosophy to give people relief from these things, to provide some way to care for the soul that is weighed down by it. And so, philosophy both allows and requires one to become one's own spiritual physician. Contemporary French philosopher, Luc Ferri, does not think Cicero's definition of philosophy can be better.
Speaker 6 01:26:48
One does not philosophize to amuse oneself, nor even to better understand the world, but sometimes literally to save one's skin. Living life well depends on learning to conquer our fears of the various faces of death, as well as of boredom, the sense of time slipping by. Perhaps the most terrible truth we must face is that we will, inevitably, be separated from all those we love. Ferri asks, What do we desire above everything else? It is to be understood and loved, rather than be alone, and therefore, above all, not to die and not to have our loved ones die once. Ferri knows that many secular people today, as did Epicurus and other thinkers of ancient.
Speaker 6 01:27:19
times, argue that death should not be given the second thought. It is merely the end of life, they say. When you die, you simply don't exist. You don't know anything. You are not around to worry about it. Why, then, would you bother yourself with such a pointless problem? But Ferri replies that this line of reasoning is too brutal, to be honest. What is it that primarily gives your life meaning? Isn't it relationships with people you love? Can you really honestly say that you have no dread of a future state that will strip you of everything you hold dear now? Do your loved ones mean so little to you that you don't care about being separated from them forever. 
Speaker 2 01:27:48
Sounds good. Would you mind letting people be there. 
Speaker 3 01:27:53
But this loss of what gives life meaning begins even before we die ourselves.
Speaker 6 01:28:36
The irreversibility of things is a kind of death at the heart of life. It is this that we rightly call evil and suffering. And Ferry concludes that honest people must admit that death, and all its consequences, is an enormous human problem. Perhaps THE problem. To live well and freely, capable of joy and love, we must learn how to conquer the inevitable terrible fear of these irreversible losses. The ancient Greek philosophers believed that the very purpose of philosophy was to discover how to face evil, suffering, and death well. In fact, Ferry argues that only philosophy or religion can possibly help us deal with pain and death. Why? Why? Suffering takes away the loves, joys, and comforts that we rely on to give life meaning.
Speaker 6 01:29:10
How can we maintain our poise? Or, even our peace and joy, when that happens? The answer is, that we can do that, only if we locate our meaning in things that can't be touched by death. But that means locating the answers to the questions, what is human life for, and, what should I be, spending my time, doing here, in things that suffering cannot destroy. That can be done only by philosophy or religion. It is an error, he concludes, to believe that modern psychology, for example, can substitute for this process. Therese, who is not a religious man, knows he is bucking the secular worldview at this point, but he insists that science cannot help us with suffering, because it cannot help us find purpose.
Speaker 6 01:29:40
Science can tell us what is, but never what ought to be. That entails philosophy and faith. Yet without determining these issues, we cannot handle the hardness of life. And so each stage in history has offered sufferers its own consolation literature to train and aid them in their trials and losses. We will look at three eras of Western history, the ancient, the medieval, and the modern, and how each one sought to do this. Salvation through reason. Perhaps the most influential school of Greek philosophy is that of the Stoics. The Stoics believed that the universe has a divine rational structure to it called the Logos. They did not believe the universe is made.
Speaker 6 01:30:11
up strictly of physical matter, but neither did they believe the universe had a god in the sense.
Speaker 2 01:30:14
of a personal god who created and... Good hanging with you yesterday. Very good. here's that book that i told you about it comes in audio if you were that kind of guy as well.
Speaker 2 01:30:52
i am winking emoji rather the universe was divine beautiful well structured and had an orderliness.
Speaker 6 01:31:15
to it that was rational and capable of being perceived by our reason they believed therefore that there were moral absolutes right ways of behavior that were in chord with the order of the universe as well as wrong ways of living that went against its grain, These could be deduced and inferred from what we could see of the world. Despite apparently chaotic times and disorderly places, the universe was, at essence, harmonious, with all things taking their rightful place and fulfilling their rightful role and task. To the Stoics, then, the task of our human minds and reason was to perceive and align with the orderliness of the world, and this meant facing death and suffering in three ways. The first way meant accepting the unexpected twists and turns of fate as the providential.
Speaker 6 01:31:47
and beneficent workings of God. If the universe itself is divine, rational, and perfectly ordered, then living in accord with the universe meant to fully embrace whatever the world sent you. For the Stoics, the good life is a life stripped of both hopes and fears. In other words, a life reconciled to what is the case, a life that accepts the world as it is. The second way was to give reason preeminence over emotion, and to learn to avoid too much attachment to anything in life, for that is where the overwhelming pain of suffering comes from. One scholar summarizes this principle well. It meant, through the exercise of reason, becoming indifferent to all things that exceeded one's reach, the soul had to expel or suppress strong emotions.
Speaker 6 01:32:18
for example in the discourses of epictetus the philosopher tells his students the principle and highest form of training the one that stands at the very entrance to happiness is that when you become attached to something let it not be as something which cannot be taken away when you kiss your child or your brother or your friend never give way entirely to your affections nor free reign to your imagination but curb it restrain it epictetus went on to tell his students the principle and highest form of training the one that stands at the very entrance to happiness is that when you become attached to something let it not be as something which cannot be taken away when you kiss your child or your brother or your friend never give way entirely to your affections.
Speaker 6 01:32:50
nor free reign to your imagination but curb it restrain it epictetus went on to tell his students to remind yourself likewise that what you love isn't that what you love is not your own, what harm is there while you are kissing your child to remember softly tomorrow you will die, Luke Ferey agrees this sounds an honest troll, but he defends Epictetus. He argues that the philosopher is not saying to be cruel to your children, but to love the present to the point of desiring nothing else, and of regretting nothing whatsoever. If you do that, then you can say to yourself, when catastrophe strikes, I will be ready. In fact, Ferey says, if you could achieve the Stoic goal, then you touch on something.
Speaker 6 01:33:22
resembling salvation, in the sense that nothing further can trouble the serenity which comes from the extinguishing of fears concerning the dimensions of time. When he achieves this degree of enlightenment, the sage does indeed live like a god, in the eternity of an instant, that nothing can diminish. The third thing Stoics offered the sufferers had to do with their own death. When we die, they taught, we don't cease to exist. Death is a transformation from one state into another. The universe had need of you, as it were, in your form as a human person. But when you die, your substance, both soul and body, continues to be part of the universe in another form. Marcus Aurelius said, you came into this world as a part.
Speaker 6 01:33:52
You will vanish into the hole which gave you birth. Or rather, you will be gathered up into its generative principle, by the process of change. Submitting to fate, detaching. the two most influential writers on suffering in classical antiquity were the roman figures cicero and seneca both of whom were strongly influenced by the greek stories the central theme of cicero's tuscan disputations is that death is not an evil and should not be regarded with fear alone your life is alone from nature that can be recalled at any time it is wisdom to recognize and agree to the terms of love for there is no other choice after all cicero believed sorrow.
Speaker 6 01:34:23
over the death of loved ones was unavoidable and provided it is kept modern having granted this is maintained that grief is still a useless thing with no positive function it arises from false beliefs about the nature of things and therefore must be controlled the other most influential roman work of consolation was seneca's marcia on consolation marcia was a woman who had lost a son and was still grieving three years later using arguments similar to cicero's seneca calls her to overcome the grief and move on nature gives us no promise that we are allowed to keep our loved ones forever or even for long though he died young he avoided many evils in life indeed this.
Speaker 6 01:34:54
may have been a way for him to escape some suffering that would have been far worse all this points to one key to living life well marcia should submit and not protest or struggle against it, even as the greek and roman philosophers were formulating their understanding of fate and suffering a somewhat similar view was already thriving in another part for centuries eastern cultures and religions held with this material world and the perception that human beings exist as separate entities within it is all an illusion the vedas the oldest scriptures of hinduism and indian thought taught that all differences are ultimately unreal the ultimate truth is in other words the physical world appears to contain many discrete individual objects.
Speaker 6 01:35:28
this object a is not that object b that's what our senses and science and logic tell us while one person suffers losses another person has plenty but this is a deceptive appearance called maya there is not only no evil but no good no individuals no material world everything is actually part of the all soul the absolute nothing is outside of it ultimately we cannot lose anything we are part of everything the most pure and influential form of this thought today is buddhism according to tradition prince siddhartha gautama was living a secure and secluded life of wealth.
Speaker 6 01:35:59
and luxury but when he went outside his palace he was confronted with the four distressing sights, A sick man, an old man, a dead man, and a poor man. In response, he determined to give his life to discovering how to live a life of serenity in the presence of human suffering. After a number of years, he achieved enlightenment under a tree. In his first sermon, he outlined for his followers the four noble truths, namely that, one, all life is suffering, two, the cause of suffering is desire or craving, three, suffering ends only when craving is extinguished, and four, this can be achieved by following the eightfold path to enlightenment. The eightfold path is a comprehensive approach to all areas of life.
Speaker 6 01:36:31
Life, right views, intentions, speech, conduct, livelihood, effort, mindfulness, and meditation. It's an extremely balanced life, not demanding asceticism and deprivation, but demanding a life of simplicity, service to others, and many disciplines of self-control. The way to overcome suffering is to detach your heart, not to love anything in this world too much. The core problem of suffering, it is... believed is an unsatisfactory state of consciousness our craving and therefore our pain and suffering is based on the illusion that we are individual selves or persons put in simple language if we.
Speaker 6 01:37:02
see that everything is impermanent we won't be attached to it good morning comma how are you.
Speaker 2 01:37:09
coming on when do you anticipate this being a question mark we see that everything is really.
Speaker 6 01:37:25
part of us we will not cling to it or mourn it as if it has been lost you can't in the end really lose anything because each thing is part of the absolute the one that we all will return to eventually by now it may be evident that there are strong similarities between this and the approaches of the greeks and particularly of the stoics the stoics thought that the underlying reality of the world is an impersonal universal logos that is the heart of the cosmos and determines all things and so the most practical way to live life well is as we saw you never give in to your affections but to restrain your love for joy in anything, French philosopher André Comte-Sauville points out the close connection between Stoicism and Buddhism.
Speaker 6 01:37:56
Both deny that it is a good thing to live in hope. On the contrary, they both say hope is a killer. If we live hoping that our plans will succeed, and if we tell ourselves our happiness depends on their fulfillment, we will be suffering anxiety during the interim, and then devastation when the goals are not accomplished. And, it will be our fault. As the Greek essayist Plutarch once wrote, we must submit, uncomplainingly and obediently, to the dispensation of things, a greater hope. When Christianity began to grow, its writers quickly began to bring many new ideas into the world of human thought, differing markedly not only from Western pagan beliefs, but also Eastern thought, especially on the topic of pain and grief.
Speaker 6 01:38:27
It's almost impossible to overestimate the importance of the Christian approach to suffering, for its success in the Roman Empire, and for its impact on human thinking. Early Christian speakers and writers not only argued vigorously that Christianity's teaching made more sense of suffering, they insisted that the actual lives of Christians proved it. Cyprian recounted how, during the terrible plagues, Christians did not abandon sick loved ones, nor flee the cities, as most of pagan residents did. Instead, they stayed to tend the sick and faced their death with calmness. Other early Christian writers, like Ignatius of Antioch's To the Romans and Polycarp's Letter to the Philippians, pointed to the poise with which Christians faced torture and death for their faith.
Speaker 6 01:38:58
Christians used suffering to argue for the superiority of their creed because they suffered better than pagans. The Greeks had taught that the very purpose of philosophy was to help us face suffering and death.
Speaker 7 01:39:10
Good morning, honey.
Speaker 2 01:39:11
Good morning, how are you. 
Speaker 7 01:39:14
I'm good, just trying to, you know, work through my feelings for you.
Speaker 2 01:39:23
Well, Jesus and I had a good cry this morning, so...
Speaker 7 01:39:28
I figured, but...
Speaker 2 01:39:31
But it was a good cry, so...
Speaker 7 01:39:33
Yeah, you just kind of need it, you know. 
Speaker 2 01:39:37
Um, ultimately...
Speaker 7 01:39:42
Did she ever end up getting back to you. 
Speaker 2 01:39:43
No, she didn't. And it's still early, you know? yeah but yeah um i uh ultimately i just have to be okay with you know i started uh reading.
Speaker 2 01:40:22
i decided that a good way to help jeremy was to reread tim keller's um book on suffering. um and uh the opening line pull it up real quick of today's.
Speaker 2 01:40:53
Deal, this is more Eastern philosophy, but he's going through it. Says when heaven tends to give someone a great responsibility, Makes their mind endure suffering having causes their sinews and bones to experience toil and their body to suffer hunger Inflicts poverty and undermines their endeavors this process stimulates their mind stabilizes their temper and develops their weak points.
Speaker 2 01:41:24
It's like I really hope that's true. I have to first, you know Understand that I'm really placing a lot of value on these, thing right and not as much value and this is a very you know it doesn't this isn't a great way.
Speaker 2 01:42:11
to say it but not as much value on on my soul leader right his yoke around my neck right him guiding me and i was like okay great but you know how are you guiding what are you doing like you know like show me you know how to do this um i don't feel like i'm doing the right things i don't know if i'm doing the right work i don't know you know so i just but i guess that's some of it too.
Speaker 7 01:42:43
right you have a call you need to get i do have a call coming in do you mind if i transfer over really quickly and we'll call you back go for it all right thank you.
Speaker 6 01:42:54
Writers such as Cyprian, Ambrose, and later Augustine made the case that Christians suffered and died better, and this was empirical, visible evidence that Christianity was the supreme philosophy. The differences between the pagan and Christian population in this regard were significant enough to give real credibility to Christian claims. Unlike the current moment, in which the existence of suffering and evil makes Christian faith on this basis, writers, other early Christian writers like Ignatius of Antioch's To the Romans and Polycarp's Letter to the Philippians, pointed to the poise with which Christians faced torture and death for their faith. Christians used suffering to argue for the superiority of their creed because they suffered better than pagans.
Speaker 6 01:43:24
The Greeks had taught that the very purpose of philosophy was to help us face suffering and death. On this basis, writers such as Cyprian, Ambrose, and later Augustine made the case that Christians suffered and died better, and this was empirical, visible evidence that Christianity was the supreme philosophy. The differences between the pagan and Christian population in this regard were significant enough to give real credibility to Christian claims. Unlike the current moment, in which the existence of suffering and evil makes Christian faith vulnerable to criticism and doubt, early Christians pointed to the pain and adversity of life as one of the main reasons for embracing the faith. why were christians so different it was not because of some distinction in their natural.
Speaker 6 01:43:56
temperament they were not simply tougher people it had to do with what they believed about the world, classic scholar judith perkins argues that the greek philosophical tradition's account of suffering was neither practical or satisfying for the average person the christian approach to pain and evil with both greater room for sorrow and greater basis for hope was a major factor in its appeal first christianity offered a greater basis for hope luke 3 in his chapter the victory of christianity agrees that the christian approach to suffering was a major reason that christianity so thoroughly defeated greek philosophy and became the dominant world view in the roman empire to three one of the main differences had to do with christian teaching about the love and meaning of persons the most obvious difference was the christian doctrine of.
Speaker 6 01:44:29
the future bodily resurrection and restored material world the stoic philosophers have taught us after death we continue as part of the universe yet not in an individual form as the reed summarizes the stoic doctrine of salvation is resolutely anonymous and impersonal it promises us eternity certainly but of a non-personal kind as an oblivious fragment of the cosmos the christians believed in the resurrection.
Speaker 2 01:46:07
A friend told me about it last night, but used it in a way to lead people to.
Speaker 3 01:46:28
the topics. Said that the process is essentially.
Speaker 2 01:47:08
Using questions in a way to lead people to the topic that you want to discuss with them, period. He called it, quote, discovered selling, end quote. But I am not seeing that aligned with the examples that you gave directly.
Speaker 2 01:47:59
Explanation.
Speaker 2 01:52:20
My friend offered this example technique as a way to help me in my interview period.
Speaker 2 01:52:54
Can you suggest a couple resources that I can use to teach me more about the topic? Reputable.
Speaker 2 01:53:43
while interviewing for a job.
Speaker 2 01:54:46
Maybe something that is a little bit more from a consultant perspective, a salesman.
Speaker 3 01:55:28
Hey. Hey, sorry about that. That's fine. That's not fun.
Speaker 2 01:55:39
I'm talking about Seth. Yeah, no, I'm just, you know, I'm good, man. Um, just had to, like I said, kind of push the reset button, you know, so, um, but, um. 
Speaker 7 01:56:10
I'm sitting outside of Maddie's school, I'm gonna go in and watch their jog-a-thon for a minute, and then I'm gonna run.
Speaker 2 01:56:17
Gotcha. Um, do you think you have time to stop at Kona for me, to pick up my, um, clothes. 
Speaker 7 01:56:27
Is it by Ralph's? Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:56:29
Sure. It's, uh, it's under my phone number.
Speaker 7 01:56:34
Yeah, you got it. Okay. Um, so, I have my dad picking up the kids today from school. And, mind you, I'm going to be in San Diego. I didn't make any plans with him as far as soccer health, but I'm thinking we can ask Julio's parents if they can take Enbring home tonight, and then I can ask my dad if he could, I don't know, take Matty home.
Speaker 2 01:57:20
If he picks up both the boys, you know, I mean, Eric's got, they all got practice tonight, right. 
Speaker 7 01:57:31
Right.
Speaker 2 01:57:31
I should be done, assuming I still have an interview, right? I mean, I think that's the real question. Cause if I don't, if I don't have an interview, um, then, then see Maddie's practice at six or Eric's at six. That's what you're saying, right?
Speaker 2 01:58:02
What time are you, what time do you think you'll be home. 
Speaker 7 01:58:05
I'm, I'm in San Diego. So I, I, the event starts at four 30 and then I'm, I mean, I don't, you're no good to me.
Speaker 2 01:58:18
Okay. I just, I don't have any information on what you're doing. So, uh, that's fine.
Speaker 7 01:58:22
I wasn't trying to give you attitude. I was just trying to set the stage for like, like, you know, I know, but you're, I'm re I'm.
Speaker 2 01:58:33
not, I, I, it probably sounded, um, forceful. Um, I, I didn't mean to, I would, I'm, I was kind of defending myself because. You know, because I ask for a time and then you go back and tell me that you're in San Diego and it's like, yeah, I'm very familiar with what San Diego is. That part has been established. It's not answering my question though. And so I'm trying to explain that I don't have any information to go off of. And so I end up kind of not being able to make plans because I don't have information to work off of.
Speaker 2 01:59:16
Right. If your dad can get Maddie to practice at 6.15, I can handle the rest.
Speaker 2 01:59:50
And Julio's parents can take. If they can take and bring back, great. If they can't, then I can bring back.
Speaker 7 02:00:03
So you want them to take Ben and bring him back, if they can.
Speaker 2 02:00:07
If they can. Yeah.
Speaker 7 02:00:12
I'm in San Diego tonight. Tonight, any way you guys can help us out by taking to and from both ways today. And then you want my dad to take.
Speaker 2 02:00:38
Maddie to practice, but then you can take him home. You can't pick him up. Yes, I can. It'll be over at 745. I usually leave Eric's place at 730, and I can call Jesse and say, hey, man, you know, I might be five minutes late.
Speaker 7 02:00:57
That is a good plan. I'll tell you that last night when I was picking up, generally speaking, he said he was going to fix it, but he hasn't. He's been cutting or shortening the practices because it gets too dark on the field. The people who are also practicing on that field kind of have where the light is, and if he's not close enough.
Speaker 7 02:01:29
To the light, then he has to stop practice. That's why he's been cutting it down sooner. So last night he was like, oh, I gotta, you know, so like Elijah's mom was like, I thought practice ended at 745 because like Elijah was one of the last people like there and Jesse and I and Maddie were still like way in the field and you couldn't see us. So she was like worried that Elijah was there by himself. And he's like, no, it is 745. I need to change it. Like, I've been having to shorten practices because, you know, so.
Speaker 2 02:01:59
Do you mind asking Krista if she'd be able to. 
Speaker 7 02:02:04
Yeah. Pick him up. Yeah. Sure. I'll ask Krista and then just make sure that the lights are on because he's going to be the only one home for a minute. Yeah. And yes. Hold on, Krista. Would you if Krista can do it? Would you mind?
Speaker 7 02:02:37
home for us tonight um um if she can would can you let Jesse know that he's Maddie's gonna head out with Micah because usually Micah's one of the first people to leave you know right what she's.
Speaker 2 02:02:60
been doing is sending Evan to go grab him real quick so yeah so if you wouldn't like maybe let.
Speaker 7 02:03:07
Jesse know and say Maddie usually stays late but he has to but Chris is going to take Maddie back yeah I'll let him know can you like Matt I'm so sorry Matt he's going to head out early today and then I need to ask my dad if he can take Maddie to this and Larry hey dad.
Speaker 2 02:03:49
what do you mean pick up food i thought that was already established

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