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created_time: 2025-12-05T18:35:00.000Z
title: 12-05 Weekly Meeting: Technical Specifications & Business Strategy
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Speaker 1 00:00:54
Thank you.
Speaker 1 00:03:01
How's it going? Good.
Speaker 2 00:03:02
Um, so this one comes out. That grout joint? Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:03:11
Yeah. So I was going to cut this.
Speaker 2 00:03:15
Yeah, you can. Oh, okay. It'll be like that. Depending on where. Wherever we're doing it. So that it looks the same. It looks like it's inside. So and then this, based on, do you have how much overhang past the tile on this side? On this side, it's 5.8. And over there, too?
Speaker 2 00:03:45
Yeah. And then after you're shooting for here, too? Yeah. And what is it over here? 5.8 on the outside? 5.8 all the way around. So it's three-quarters? So it's three-quarters on the inside. Is it possible, or is that just how the pieces are? Do we have to trim them to get that. 
Speaker 3 00:04:07
The pieces? No. The reason why we went, originally it was three quarters, and then we looked at that side and it was like, this side came out more, and it was like, you know what, this is happening. This is easy to go 5-8ths all the way around.
Speaker 2 00:04:26
So the pieces, and what are your grout joints? I guess my question, could we make the joints inside the lab, the overhang inside the lab more. 
Speaker 3 00:04:40
We could push, the grout joints are all over the place. The pieces aren't even...
Speaker 2 00:04:46
Well I noticed the grout joints laid out before, like some of them had quarters in it, like this. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:04:55
So, they were, the grout joints before were like between a quarter and two.
Speaker 2 00:05:03
Okay. And we're somewhere... Yeah. I guess my... you know it would be better less overhang than more so you're five-eighths outside three-quarter inside it would be better if a lot of that like the overhang inside the straw the less.
Speaker 2 00:05:38
like goldenrod you can never install the light so it's kind of a move point eventually but anyway, if we could but so right now all four sides are going to have five eight on the outside.
Speaker 3 00:06:01
and then all four sides yeah but i don't think it would be i don't think it'd be huge to.
Speaker 2 00:06:10
Yeah, slide it.
Speaker 3 00:06:10
Slide it out.
Speaker 2 00:06:12
What changes this? You slide out, then you're going to have to open up, and I guess you're going to have to start this corner.
Speaker 3 00:06:22
Well, not necessarily.
Speaker 2 00:06:23
Because when I slide out that way, I'm going to tuck in. Well, that's going to slide out. That's going to slide out. That's going to go all the way through.
Speaker 3 00:06:34
Right. But then this guy's going to be able to tuck in a little bit, too. Right? Because that's going to go... This piece is going to go out. Right? So I'll be able to push this in. No, but this one has to go out, also.
Speaker 2 00:06:48
Right? Yeah. So if that piece goes out, this piece, and this piece goes out, then it's all going to slide. So if you're... It's almost as if you did, like, a push-pull. So if you face, like, pull this, pull that. And then... and then push that, push that, right? And essentially it's flagged out. And then in this case, you can't make this piece longer.
Speaker 2 00:07:18
So these carry the same joint that has to be on the corner. And the joints get bigger by, I mean, if we do this, I just, it feels, it just feels on the matting, that it's more growing happen.
Speaker 1 00:07:50
Where, where, to get that. 
Speaker 2 00:07:54
how much do you have to float here? And where does that float? The way it is right now, where does that float land on this stone, right? Like I know this stone's wonky, but if you were to put a straight line where your tile finishes. 
Speaker 3 00:08:09
Like, where is the tile finishing? Is it finishing here like it was before? At three quarters, so after you did it, I went and drew it up. So at that one inch, when I tucked it in, so the tile was ending up right here if this had a one-inch overhang. So the tile was exactly in line. Essentially, my finger is the tile. Right.
Speaker 2 00:08:35
So you tucked it in a quarter inch, so there should be more or less the grout joint in front of it like that. That was the four-ish.
Speaker 3 00:08:47
Right. If I went, but that would be, that's at now an inch and a quarter.
Speaker 2 00:08:54
Oh, so this is, I thought this overhang was going to be three-quarters.
Speaker 3 00:08:59
No, so this, well, so I think what I, the picture I sent you had five-eighths.
Speaker 1 00:09:07
Oh, okay.
Speaker 3 00:09:08
And then. And then when I went, but I didn't really go to the scale. I can pull it up on my computer real easy. So then I went to scale after you started asking questions. And at an inch, the tile was actually in line with this at an inch.
Speaker 2 00:09:28
An inch overhang.
Speaker 3 00:09:29
Right.
Speaker 2 00:09:30
But if we're at three-quarters all the way around, or we're at five-eighths.
Speaker 3 00:09:34
If we're at, where do you want it. 
Speaker 2 00:09:37
Well, if you're at five-eighths here and there and there, we should be.
Speaker 3 00:09:43
Okay. So then that would mean.
Speaker 2 00:09:46
That's five-eighths overhang.
Speaker 3 00:09:47
Then that would be three-eighths in, right. 
Speaker 2 00:09:50
Well, that means, yeah, your float comes out even further than what you're on. So we'd be over the top of that stone. Yeah. Which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing, really.
Speaker 3 00:10:11
And remember, it wouldn't be five-eighths anymore either. It would be...
Speaker 2 00:10:15
Well, I'm saying, what if we don't move it? What do we have? I also don't necessarily think it's bad. This was tile, right? Yeah, it was glass tile.
Speaker 1 00:10:33
Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:10:34
See, that's the stone wraps the corner. Or stone. That's architectural. Do we think that the overhang was more on this side than all the other sides before in its original install. 
Speaker 3 00:10:57
It was... At that corner, it was an inch. The overhang passed the tile? Yeah. at that corner yeah but when you work your way around it was between an inch and five eighths or a half inch all the way around very yeah i think it was half inch at that corner over there.
Speaker 2 00:11:16
and so right now you're square yeah those three sides and this just needs to be squared up yeah i don't with it having an inch overhang but i do think we whatever overhang we land on we should.
Speaker 2 00:11:53
transfer that down to the floor and trim that stone so that you have a it's clean when that gets grouted in right we're gonna be the ones to do it so um, you want the grout joint on the horizontal then i mean that's how it was before i mean so for us to, do it like what's in the picture we're gonna see i mean my part of my thought is this i mean i like.
Speaker 2 00:12:27
this idea because it isolates the mortar it's just a complicated thing i'm almost wondering if we fill it with sand and deco seal it you know such a i i almost said that it's not necessarily better but i don't know if the deco seal can go over an inch wide but it's going to get protected permanently it's really like hey we're just filling this in so that i mean it's a better detail to fill it in, was the tile inside past.
Speaker 2 00:12:59
like it was tucked inside so they must have tiled the whole thing and then came and put the stone on that's why the grout right because if we were to do this it would be fill this in then tile then i almost wonder if uh yeah i mean i think your drawing is probably.
Speaker 2 00:13:45
the best way to do it like where we bring our tile over the top of the stone and you don't see the grout joint on the horizontal. but i would say we pick what you might have already done we pick the dimension so you're going to cut some amount from here to the high point right where the gap is the biggest and then somewhere else and then that dimension is really our face of tile wherever that we fill that in.
Speaker 2 00:14:23
or it should be leaving it open is not a bad destruction detail other than the fact that water will get in there and cause other issues later on so we've got it and how do we worry worried about i guess we can figure out how you're going to tile up to there so will your tile so your tile will essentially you might end up having to leave that little grout there.
Speaker 2 00:15:11
yeah i mean we have to yeah i think we should fill it in um but you know what we could do, as we get foam like the little thin like plumber's foam have you ever seen that really thin like.
Speaker 2 00:15:52
quarter inch if you go in the plumbing aisle home depot it's like white and it's like an eighth inch thick foam that you wrap pipes with yeah you could put that up against the wall, and then just fill it from there this way with 254 rapid set 37 and then that way that's part of this deck and when that and it'll be stuck to the new stuff we add so when this expands and moves it pushes against foam under okay and then if our tiles above our bottom grout joint is silicone.
Speaker 2 00:16:30
so that allows it to move underneath our assembly and what we're doing i think that's what we should.
Speaker 3 00:16:38
okay yeah foam here right obviously yeah so foam here and then on the bottom too or no no because.
Speaker 2 00:16:46
that bottom should be what's on the bottom right now remember and see yeah they didn't.
Speaker 3 00:16:58
take it all the way yeah that's fine um it's it works its way kind of to here, but not up here so she needs to be cleaned up yeah i mean i would say i would say clean it up.
Speaker 2 00:17:17
yeah foam on those three sides and then the mortar is put in because essentially we're just using it to fill a gap so that water doesn't get in and stay in there and i think we can do it with rapid set or we could do it with 3701 both of them are high enough psi that rapid set might allow you guys to move quicker but it might be harder to work with but yeah i would say foam on the face.
Speaker 2 00:18:01
yeah they're refinishing that spillway, Like, cleaning it, polishing it, plating it, like with some finished coating. And then I'm going to bring it back. Any chance you're going to wear it? Yeah, yeah. I have a picture that I sent. But, yeah, yeah. Do we, yeah, yeah. Maybe I just don't do anything. Yeah, I would.
Speaker 2 00:18:32
I'll just leave those tubes, the coping off, and then we'll wrap that up. You're going to have to float in. You're going to have to float in the sides, the bottom, and, like, offset the bottom to get the tile to, well, maybe not offset it much, but, yeah. And I think we should probably install that with us. Okay. Yeah, we've got some at the 300, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:19:02
and we might depending on what the bottom looks like when I get it back we might even want to prep it and mirror prime with sand so that because that old it had one piece of stainless mesh, on there the other side nothing so it's like the epoxy will probably bond to it but like 300 but it wouldn't be a bad idea to just coat it to make sure we're bonding really well to it I don't.
Speaker 2 00:19:32
think we don't know that we should bond to it as long as they don't polish the bottom which I told them not to but if it comes back and they polish the whole thing or coat it next some other, consideration but yeah I would almost wait do you know the elevation I mean I have a picture.
Speaker 3 00:19:53
of where it was relative to the height before well my thoughts were is that we would make it, It's approximately going to be like three rows down.
Speaker 2 00:20:04
It's a one-inch limp on the side, right? Yeah. And it usually, I mean, we should see what tile was there. Was it three, if it was three rows of tile.
Speaker 3 00:20:16
I'm just going with three rows because that's about how much space I have for this tile.
Speaker 2 00:20:22
Yeah, but I would sit the spot up higher relative to the water elevation. Like this water elevation, the pool is determined by the center of the skimmer because the skimmers operate more or less with the water at the middle. But Pancho said you wanted to keep it like below this right here. Yeah, I would like my water level, oh, yeah, I would like the water under that. Like right there or a little higher.
Speaker 2 00:20:53
Okay. Like off the electronics. Like assume your elevation of that piece is the very bottom of that. plastic because then when the water comes in here it actually lift and then spill over right and so.
Speaker 3 00:21:06
that's your elevation is the bottom of that yeah that's i think based on tile or um or make that.
Speaker 2 00:21:15
a hole yeah tell me well i wouldn't want to go much higher yeah well let's just wait till it comes and then we'll see i mean because you could probably measure with your layout from tile from the bottom of the coping now to the bottom of that figure out yeah i think that.
Speaker 2 00:22:22
back buttering yeah from here like level it off like with a trowel into the because the dimples.
Speaker 3 00:22:33
are dimples right right so what they did last time was he was we back buttered it put it on and pulled it back off it was like so when they started flying more we started checking more.
Speaker 2 00:23:42
Yeah, is that concrete level or is there dirt in it, because it's all concrete. 
Speaker 3 00:23:55
Yeah, like there's 24 inches of concrete. So I haven't measured after. No, no, no, that's when they put the gravel in.
Speaker 2 00:24:03
So that backside over there is concrete that's been chipped, it's not dirt? Correct. And I would just say, when you do this, just paint the sides with 254 before you put concrete in. You want it to stick to the structure permanently. So SSD on the sides, 254 all the way around on the sides.
Speaker 3 00:24:30
And then 254, the check valve. You can, yeah. That's just a regular check valve. 
Speaker 2 00:24:35
Yeah, it's an anti-corrosive check valve, so it's designed to last longer. We put another check valve at the top, and most guys only, the one at the top can be replaced, that one can't. At the top? Yeah, so under the plate, there's actually, it's a female adapter, you thread in a little check valve that will pop up, and it's under a plate. So like, you could take that plate off and replace that valve, every once in a while, you just can't replace that one.
Speaker 2 00:25:12
But if that one fails, it's no big, it probably will never fail. Cause it's all, but it could get debris in it, and so this one is interchangeable, so that's why I changed it. Poncho's always done these this way, I don't know who invented it. I don't have a problem with it, as long as we... But yeah, you could fill it. Yeah, just 254, use like a high PSI concrete, like the Quikrete 4000 or something like that.
Speaker 2 00:25:43
254 everywhere. You don't have to 254 the rocks. Did he drill holes in the side? No, he just let the top off. Oh, yeah. If he drilled holes in the side to let the water out, if it worked, we'll have it filled up. If there was a foot and there's water built up around it, it would start coming in that before it got too high.
Speaker 2 00:26:29
And then these, like what you did here, these were plates before in the pictures. We're working on that. Yeah, I mean we've used a lot of silver shadow, so I'm assuming it's...
Speaker 3 00:27:45
When it's cold, do we need to protect the waterproofing on the vertical wall right away with BC Pro. 
Speaker 2 00:27:59
No, not necessarily. I mean, if we're cleaning, like if you're dropping stuff on it and noticing it's getting dirty, right? Like when they're, like, I mean, you just don't want to get thinset and all sorts of junk on it.
Speaker 3 00:28:15
The reason why I'm asking is because I'm thinking, you know, if we keep on finding ourselves, like, oh, we shouldn't have BC Pro'd that, right? It's like we're getting better each time, but it's like, man, why don't I just, instead, I'll waterproof the first four feet. Right. And just leave the ground and everything else until we're done, and we'll do it super clean, and then we'll waterproof the BC Pro. Right.
Speaker 2 00:28:43
But you've got to, depending on the job, you've got to waterproof the walls up at the top before you can float or whatever. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 00:28:51
So we'll waterproof like the first, whatever, four feet, something like that, right? So we'll go down, and then we can work. We don't have to worry about like, oh, you didn't think about that, or oh, you know.
Speaker 2 00:29:04
Yeah, and I don't even necessarily think you need to waterproof the floor right away either.
Speaker 3 00:29:09
Right.
Speaker 2 00:29:09
But it's something like, hey, like I think this one, we've got work coming off that.
Speaker 3 00:29:16
I think we've done that, but honestly, like I just, but we keep on running into problems that it's like, you know, where I'm having, it's like, oh, shoot, I wish we didn't BC Pro that. You know, or we, you know, and I feel like we're, it's that the whole force here is kind of like, you know.
Speaker 2 00:29:36
Yeah, no, I don't, and if we were doing just water line. just do that part not even mess with the floor right but then at some point we're going to have the detailed floor to clean them that can be done with scrapers and pressure right right and then.
Speaker 3 00:29:59
we also don't have to delay for the right oh and you've got time okay work on the floor right yeah.
Speaker 2 00:30:09
and i do think that like even this like these things will have to get washed off right before we class but i do think there's some logic to doing this with like an acid wash.
Speaker 3 00:30:24
so i hit him so the driver says it's fine okay i talked to danny and he's like oh really you know and i'm like look like he kept on going like danny you know marico says it's okay you know.
Speaker 2 00:30:43
You're talking like a low, you're talking about just removing any, like look, does this have calcium on the surface from hydration? Yeah, but can you tell, like you can't tell, right? I mean, and so these guys, did I tell you that there's guys complaining about Hydrazo and saying that they've had all these delaminations of Hydrazo over membrane seed? Did I tell you that. 
Speaker 3 00:31:06
Sounds familiar.
Speaker 2 00:31:06
That's like sort of where my mind went and my, oh, you know what, it's Ken called, but hey, Kenton called, you know, Dave Sam got that. Howard grew up at Spot and Plunger and got cheaper, but he's telling Ken, you know, he's trying to change all Ken's designs.
Speaker 2 00:31:44
But anyway, so he was saying, but what have you heard about Hydraza? I said, honestly, I've heard of people having issues. The plaster company was telling Angel. I said, but, I mean, I always, we haven't had an issue yet, and I'm not saying we won't have one or there isn't one out there we don't know about that nobody knows about yet, you know, the pool drain or something, but a lot of these guys just send plaster down the surface.
Speaker 2 00:32:16
I've been pretty good about sending somebody out a pressure washer in prep for the plaster process. That makes it natural. We're even thinking about doing a light acid wash. All the pores are open. There's no latent calcium like the day before. We all do. So, I think taking extra cleaning steps that don't damage anything, according to Miraco,
Speaker 2 00:32:56
like, I don't know. I mean, but that's my, you know, like, what does Danny think we're doing? Damaging it? He's afraid we're going to damage it. The BC Pro. And the BC Pro really is just a bonding slash protection coat washed through it.
Speaker 1 00:33:27
Right. And I swear to God.
Speaker 2 00:34:15
set it up on a new sales order, at least for a month.
Speaker 1 00:34:35
Where are we supposed to be from? Right here.
Speaker 2 00:34:46
That's it. Yeah, how are we, yeah, yeah, for just to make sure we have, he's expecting quality and epoxy. How are we doing that? I haven't looked at it. I know that the way I put the concrete repairs and stuff like that in there are weird. I got to fix those. I started, you know, looking for something else to do yesterday when I'm supposed to be doing something, and I started opening up that and fixing that. I'm like, dude, wait a minute.
Speaker 3 00:35:27
I think the budget will be a lot more clear. I think if I can complete, like when you put in, make it up, right? Yeah, yeah. When you put in tile insulation, $12,000, right? If I can mark that part complete, so it thinks. there's no money coming from that anymore got it right and then we can use so it'll because it'll still take the estimated amount yeah and that should.
Speaker 2 00:35:60
change I mean so now what I'm doing is and I think I did it mostly on this one but the change orders I didn't because it doesn't let you do the change orders the same way as the estimate you can create categories tile installed labor material system labor materials and then that's your tile category and then your total price so it doesn't break those down line by line and so I think I.
Speaker 2 00:36:31
was able to do the budget for this one in that way so there's a lot of tile system labor remembering labor neighbors but then on all the change. It lets you give you one lump sum number at the top, but then you would have to do a change order for every different thing you're doing, which I didn't want to do, so I just lumped them together.
Speaker 3 00:36:54
Anyway, I'm trying to get better at it. But honestly, it's almost like if we can at least get into the arena of something, right, or into that entire category, because even, like, truthfully, I'd like to be able to go, hey, you know, that was actually site cleanup right there, and we're going to put it in there because that's what we did, and then we have something where we look at it and go, okay, this is what we estimated for, but here's what we did on the strike,
Speaker 3 00:37:28
and so we're going to change, right, we're just going to see, you know, whatever, and if it is, thank you, right.
Speaker 2 00:37:40
Yeah, I'm not totally opposed to changing the way, as long as...
Speaker 3 00:37:47
Yeah, no, I have a plan for it. Yeah, my biggest thing is that I want to have the freedom to track it the way it is and then let that dictate the way it is.
Speaker 2 00:38:02
Yeah, I mean, and I know I push back against that, and I'm not opposed to, like I look at everything that you guys are doing, like if it wasn't you guys, it would be whatever, right? And so that's my reason, like, hey, if that's something that DailySiteCleanup,
Speaker 2 00:38:39
or Tile, whatever it is, tools. things like that all the stuff that you provide for a sub just a general contractor subbing it to him scope like it should be under there now if it is you know tile install labor site cleanup and that's under the install then fine right but as long as it all ends up in that one so that i can look and say probably like we'll probably build it so i try and budget it this guy gave me this.
Speaker 2 00:39:24
number i expect him to do everything that's in this budget for this price right and say okay yeah because i have enough and he should cover all this and that's really the way really the reason i want to keep it all lumped, Under sort of those generic categories.
Speaker 2 00:39:56
No, that's okay. But yeah, we have to do subcategories of, but then it's like I would like to budget for that. I'd like to have a budget for that going into the job. Sure, yeah.
Speaker 3 00:40:22
No, I agree with that completely.
Speaker 2 00:40:34
See, the king is just...
Speaker 3 00:40:40
Thanks, Danny. You know, Dan Kelsey.
Speaker 2 00:40:45
Stabilized, but the sculpture down there, that's what leaks it. And I tried to bring it up to Mark's demo meeting before we got Thanksgiving. And he doesn't want to hear it. Oh, we tested it. You're going from losing 250 to 75 gallons a day to 3,000 when it's running.
Speaker 2 00:41:17
Like, it's obvious that there's something there that's leaked. But we'll have to test it. I have to go back and look. I'm telling you, it doesn't go up 10x just from running that one edge feature. Maybe it goes up, let's say, 20. 40 is not going to go up 1,000 like that. But he doesn't want to admit it because he was the one running all the testing. Right? And I just wore testing it in a ticker.
Speaker 4 00:41:51
Hey, Brandon, do you want any of this stuff? This and that. 
Speaker 3 00:41:54
I think you're not the professional tester, right? Yeah. Somebody, I mean, the key to any, I mean, see, I told Ben this last night, the key to, you know, outside of God and all that stuff is going, what part of that was my fault? Right. What. 
Speaker 2 00:42:23
Have you ever read that book, Extreme Ownership? It's like a Navy SEAL guy. Oh, yeah. I mean, I love that. Like, just figuring out how you take responsibility for everything. Right? It's just a posture. I mean, obviously everything. But looking, always.
Speaker 3 00:42:45
Yeah, I think I'm going to just throw a number at it.
Speaker 2 00:43:10
Ponch texted me about it yesterday, and he said, do you still need that? So a PM that used to work for JRC is now with R.T. Abbott running that means job. And he hit me up yesterday like, hey, I saw that you're the bidder on this, and it's one of the bidders. I want to reach out and tell you I was with R.T. Abbott. I'm like, oh, what happened with JRC? You know, he's super diplomatic, which is smart.
Speaker 2 00:43:43
Anyway, he's like, so when can we have enough? So I told punch and he's like, well, what about risk? I said now it's like I need to finish that. I said now I think what I might end up doing, Around the time I was texting you I might just do it, but they're not actually asking for budget yet Like how long.
Speaker 2 00:44:16
Today, but yeah, I might just throw some numbers at it for now roughly to get her words But that would be a good thing to have in that spreadsheet somehow is hey, whatever this cost is it's out of rough, Like I'm sure we could go through and be like, all right this many dollars divided by. And it could be as simple as that, but at least to be able to put together a...
Speaker 3 00:44:50
That's what he does. And that's kind of what I spent, like, the way he does it is really, you know, or this is the way I... Three days for a primary main drain. We're going to put another line in and try to juggle, like, or just give them what they... Just like a match sack, really, it should be an assembly act. You know, you're going to come to the middle of the pool, and then you're going to go to work your way in.
Speaker 3 00:45:24
But, so, when we do a smog, it's a loop and a fold, and, you know, here's the number of jets you're going to have. And each jet is kind of like how we started on the builder's hand thing, the assemblies, you know. 11 jets, right? Right. And because I think the metronome is exactly pop up here, you go to a heater, right? You know, and he's pretty, and then he's probably got like, oh, the metronome is.
Speaker 2 00:46:00
underground. So then every line needs this extra number of valves, right? Because now you have to have all these extra check valves and ball valves. Like I know he has a system to it, but he just, got to figure out what that is and turn it into ones and zeros, you know? Right, right. So.
Speaker 3 00:46:20
there's just certain things like, you know, really, if you look at this, you know, I almost always come back to like, this is the way I do it, but it'll be like, well, for this job, I just said. We did it this way.
Speaker 3 00:46:52
And the last time we talked about it, a four-hour conversation. It started out as a good conversation, going, well, why do it by moving the feet? Isn't it the same amount of work? With an eight-foot pipe and a one-foot pipe, you're still going to put two fittings. Shouldn't we be doing it by fitting? And he goes, well, that's what my dad did. He said, take us to the spa.
Speaker 3 00:47:25
And he goes, he does manifolds, and you can probably make those. You're not going to do dogering. Well, the spa's different. No, no, no, that's what he probably said, yeah. But the second I went into...
Speaker 2 00:47:46
It was like, I mean we talked about it, we went through everything, it was like, you know, you can't be doing this forever, all right, we have to be doing this, there's a way that, he was fine with that, but we've had those conversations for years, right, even back when you and I were having conversations randomly about him, and partnering up, and then it was like, dude, I'm gonna, this is sort of last call, no, I can't do it, I have too much debt, I have too much this, too much that, I can do it on your end, like, let's close the book on it then, and I just started really pursuing my own thing, but it's like. 
Speaker 3 00:48:25
he says he wants to get out, right, and that's the goal, but he never will, not, even like, sorry, in that conversation, like, the second I said, like, I think that we should, throw up throw away statements did this way knowing that we're bidding against this with a you know it's that whole like silver gold package right like you know and i'm never gonna do.
Speaker 3 00:48:60
quality stuff and then that's when it was like and then he's like i'll do this forever i'm never gonna reply and it's like i lost him i lost him just reeling back and then talk about it until.
Speaker 2 00:49:12
until one day this guy's gonna be scared and all right but fourth street is the job oh i don't want to do this.
Speaker 2 00:49:43
And it's like, you know, him and Poncho talk, you know, but I said, look, and I called the owner, Ryan, left him a message to talk to me. He never called me back, but I told Greg, I said, look, you know, we build a circle. You know how Poncho is in a good relationship, and he wants to do it. I said, but at the same time, like, you guys are using wood screws and galvanizing here, yet we're 3-1-6 stainless steel screws.
Speaker 2 00:50:17
We're doing everything 10, 20 times better than what you guys are doing. And we're bidding it this way. You guys are obviously okay with that. I said, you're not going to get anyone a spot the way we're doing it. Like, and it seems like you're okay with wood screws, like drywall screws, holding up galvanized trapping for plumbing in the house, right? That's what your other guys are using. So, like, if... If you guys are okay with that, like, look, Gavinite's not going to rust. It needs air and water. If it's in a wall, sealed in.
Speaker 2 00:50:49
a house, it's not going to rust. It'll probably be and if you're okay with it over there and you're okay with it over here, we, that's what I called Ryan to tell him, like, we can't work with you. Poncho doesn't necessarily, see things that way, always when he's bidding it, but, he's like, no, I get it. I understand, and I respect his work and everything. It's just not always and I don't want to lose 40 hours of my time and his time bidding jobs because we're not willing, cheaper screws, you know.
Speaker 2 00:51:21
and stuff like that, and he's like, no, I get it. So I talked to Poncho, he's like, you know, I put CPC venting and this and that in my head. I'm like, why? We, we, the heater's on. I'm like, you know, Ken wants all this stuff. Ken's not. Like, I can't figure out how to push the numbers up a level just so it's...
Speaker 2 00:51:54
And he told me that, and I probably didn't even catch that he did. I wonder if he did all the scheduling, too. It's just like the thing sometimes. He only wants to build a certain... I just don't... It's not sustainable. Did I tell you, Kenny, that Fullerton's on?
Speaker 2 00:52:24
I found out from Mark, actually from the designer, that the structural observation on their piles, their drone piles, he hired some unlicensed retired to go for it. And so I hit him up, and, oh, I was going to tell you. I'm sorry. Really? I've been helping you for four years, and you go hire somebody else, and then he tells me, well, Corey wasn't calling me back. I'm like, no, that's not what happened. And I have all these texts, calls, you know, and it's just like, it's so frustrating. It's like, so tired of spending all that time. You have a lot of these types of clients that don't turn into jobs.
Speaker 2 00:53:10
No, it's difficult, but it's like, which one's a which, right? But if we can give, you know, high-end clients really good work using the materials that everybody else is using, you know what I mean? Like, the heaters don't require CPVC. 10-spec CPVC, we've complained about it. You know, it doesn't do, it doesn't, the ratings on CPVC are far beyond.
Speaker 2 00:53:42
And he deserves it, and made, so that Schedule 40 regular white pipe can be the benefit. Like, why are we, you know, thousands of extra dollars worth of material? And then it becomes, he's the only one who can order it. Pick it up, right? Rudy can't help. You know, it's like, he can, he's the only one. And he's by far the best farmer. Sure. Working a rollercoaster.
Speaker 2 00:54:15
Beth doesn't drive a rollercoaster, right? They drive Mercedes-Benz. Like, nice ones, they get new ones every other year, but, like, that's what they drive. It's like, these are some of the richest people in the world. You know, Elon loves to drive. Okay. I mean.
Speaker 3 00:54:31
Well, not only that, but he's also stuck, because he doesn't know how to. You know, he's complaining to me about the guy, and I'm like, hey, we've talked about this.
Speaker 3 00:55:01
Why do teachers suck? And I said, no offense before I tell you this, but in your experience of teachers, more good or way more bad? Way more bad, because they don't have to worry about getting fired. They teach it their way, and they expect the class to adapt to them. And even though I know I can't really use this example for you, but you can't teach your kids the same thing.
Speaker 3 00:55:33
You can't teach your employees that. If they're not understanding what you're doing, or what you're telling them, you can't go cause. What he was saying was, like, I just decided I'm not going to give him the same message. He doesn't understand the concept. On this one, you've got to take responsibility there.
Speaker 2 00:56:00
What can you do? That's it. Or is that know-how? Morning.
Speaker 3 00:56:22
I don't think he knows how. Right, right. And they're afraid to make a mistake. And they think we're going to rock you. But it's a great job. I mean, they've got their issues. Right. So does everybody, right? But, I mean, they're not, like, I could, you know, and this is easy to say, you know, but I just want to turn them into something, right?
Speaker 3 00:56:58
Because good people, they want to learn, and they work hard.
Speaker 2 00:57:02
And they've learned some really good skills from Ponce, right? They have a good baseline.
Speaker 3 00:57:06
So they know what the standard is. How to get things. Right. And honestly, like, who's complaining? We're standing on a crest line.
Speaker 2 00:57:21
How come I can't remember? Oh, a crest line.
Speaker 3 00:57:27
You're getting ready to install it here. How do we get any answers? And he might be right, he might be wrong. He's right, so you go, why? And then you understand, yes, he gets that. And he might be wrong. And you go, well, why would, you know, why do we do this? Questions. Well, what happens when, you know,
Speaker 3 00:57:58
whatever the problem is, it's wrong? Now you're exercising his brain muscle. And then you go, you know, and then you just keep on asking questions.
Speaker 3 00:58:28
If you can duplicate yourself, isn't it worth stepping back and just every few, you know, minutes and going.
Speaker 2 00:58:46
I sit back and I'm okay you know I think a lot more and more about developing a separate side of the company sub working or but I'm okay with oh yeah because we get something that yeah we might not make it we definitely are doing good how are you.
Speaker 1 00:59:37
doing that.
Speaker 3 01:00:32
Wait a minute, what happened to, like, Cory's got the deepest voice and boom, you can... I was, uh, blending into the white. You went to Tullis, you went to Tullis once, and I think you were just flying through. And he's like, I heard Kory, and he's like, no, you didn't hear Kory, you know, he's like, no, he's got a distinct voice seat, and it's like, it made me feel less manly, because I don't think he's ever talked about me that much.
Speaker 3 01:01:10
Hey, but I know, here, I'll walk with you, I still tell the story of, I'm sure I've told you this before, it was like, you, me, and one of your buddies, Rick, you know, was walking through the mall, it was like, first time that I noticed, the girls aren't looking at me, they're looking at him, he's only got eyes for women.
Speaker 3 01:01:49
I only know that it's one bird.
Speaker 1 01:02:19
Thanks for watching. 
Speaker 3 01:03:31
Is it good or not? Yes. I have a plan for this. It doesn't matter. Do you want to install the flow strips today? After? Huh?
Speaker 3 01:04:01
Brandon, when are you going to be done? When are you going to be out of work? How's that. 
Speaker 4 01:04:07
In five minutes. I'm right here. I'm just rubbing it with the flow. I've got one more pipe over here. Okay. I had a rapid spin. I thought if you could do this, then maybe go back over there. Okay.
Speaker 3 01:04:35
Well, I've got a plan with here, and so now I'm thinking, like, what needs to happen. So he asked me when I wanted to do it, and then so I went to, well, when, yeah.
Speaker 4 01:04:50
And he's got to wait about 30 minutes, depending on what time he's taking lunch.
Speaker 3 01:05:07
You're going to cut the bottom of that, too?

[AI_SUMMARY]
Two meetings were summarized: one focused on technical specifications for a tile and stone installation, including overhang dimensions and waterproofing, while the other addressed business challenges like budgeting, material quality, and client management. Key issues include unresolved technical specifications, a significant water leak, and the need to balance high-quality materials with competitive pricing. There is also a focus on improving budget clarity and addressing team training and delegation challenges.