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title: 01-07 Interview: Theological Discussions, US Politics, and Personal Updates
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Speaker 1 00:08:56
I'm doing well, thank you.
Speaker 2 00:10:32
Thank you.
Speaker 3 00:10:50
Yeah. By the way, I know you're at work. You might not call me, but you might not have. Two things. One, if you're up for it, well, three things I like. One, if you're up for it, you could like to do burritos on Friday.
Speaker 1 00:11:22
Two, go ahead.
Speaker 3 00:11:32
Two, if you're up for getting that topping, if you're forming, I'd appreciate it.
Speaker 1 00:11:41
That way I can get you yours back. Three.
Speaker 3 00:11:52
had this ongoing um thought about how marriage is actually a great example of the trinity um. i was listening to keller talk about it again you know today right before i called you and i realized like yeah exactly this it took me right back to that thought and i was like well there's something missing in this you know marriage and woman trinity is father son holy spirit so this is.
Speaker 3 00:12:29
where i realized that god can do it when done well i just wanted to make you laugh i hadn't.
Speaker 2 00:12:48
thought about it.
Speaker 2 00:13:27
I'm going to have to wrap my head around that. It's interesting. Thank you.
Speaker 2 00:15:07
wait you talking to me no say that again so um i have a fourth thing i don't want to keep you.
Speaker 1 00:15:42
but i was thinking um i want to hit you on one of two things i keep on going to like study.
Speaker 3 00:15:54
scripture or like push myself into studying scripture and adopted like how could you study this you don't even know the proper way to go about it i got so many questions and i was like, Oh. I'm sure Sean's, like, he's even studying stuff, but maybe I can get him, maybe I can study with him, whatever he's studying, and kind of share with me his brain work. We do it, like, a weekly or whatever check-in, so it's like, okay, what you, you know, where you go, did you get it?
Speaker 3 00:16:33
So, we can talk more about that on Friday, if you want to think about what that looks like.
Speaker 3 00:18:00
That's fine. That sounds good. I think, you know, my, I think a couple things that I'm, like, starting to, like, when do you, when does, when does it really matter what this particular word is? And how do we decide that that word is the word? And, like, how do we really, you know what I mean? Like, how do we really go to town, like, for instance, you know, I just kind of started searching around on what is a proper approach to studying psalms. 
Speaker 1 00:18:52
Well, you've got to understand when you're reading psalms, X, Y, and Z. It's like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. You know, you ask me these questions. Like, yeah, but you can't look at Psalms the same way.
Speaker 3 00:19:03
I mean, there's several different genres of the Bible, right? And there's, like, I think I've told you a little bit about, you know, like, what Jeremy's doing. And it's like, all of a sudden, you know, he's applying the word, my laws, and Jesus is my, like, oh, no, that's just Torah, right? And, you know, he really wants us to be, and he's not saying, like, only listen to Torah, but what he's saying is, what he's done is he's basically proved, and it's quite well done.
Speaker 3 00:19:40
He's put all the energy and effort in it. But, you know, it's just kind of the problem when you're really smart, you can do all the work. But my point is, is, like, but he's on to something also where he's like, hey, if you look at these words, the way it's said here, it's only said in this way, and in this way, and in this way. yeah i mean like the logic is good you know how do i start reading the bible for what the real.
Speaker 3 00:20:11
knowing that you know like keller will go at times like this word here is really not translated, you know unless you know hebrew like you're just not gonna really get in you're gonna think it's this you know what i mean it's just like and i don't have the time to be a keller i don't have.
Speaker 1 00:20:28
the time to be a sean right but i i i need but but i i do feel like there's a sense of like.
Speaker 3 00:20:45
like i'm going through the bible of solomon right now like just reading verse by verse you know it's just not doing it for me it's like it's just another story that i already know but there's so much goodness there, But if I know that I'm not getting what I'm supposed to be getting out of it, there's no passion there.
Speaker 3 00:25:22
Sort of. You know, I understand the concept of what you're saying, yes.
Speaker 3 00:26:42
Well, yeah, I mean, because I was sitting there going, Dave, is it, and then how did he, and knowing that, how did he get in the songs, saying, forgetting the actual verse, and basically pursue the Lord, because that was 30 points, you know, and, well, where does a guy get that brief? That's why, that's why God looks.
Speaker 3 00:27:36
Then this guy, all of a sudden, you know, and it's like, okay, how do I get there? And I think, like, what Keller has done is he listens to him. He breaks all the rules that we were taught in Bible study.
Speaker 1 00:28:01
He sits there and he goes, well, what was going on there? Well, he must have been doing this and he must have been doing this. He must have been going on and on. The way we were brought up, it's like, well, the Bible doesn't say that. You can't say that. And that's why so many people won't watch The Chosen. That's what they did.
Speaker 3 00:28:23
You know, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm, yeah. That's what I'm reflecting back to you.
Speaker 2 00:29:22
I think it's on my list. It's on my list.
Speaker 3 00:29:42
What did you say it was about, Kelly?
Speaker 3 00:30:50
Yeah. So, R.C. Sproul was one of his teachers, and then became one of his mentors, when he was at George Palma. So, you know, look, when you listen to two sermons on a day, you learn.
Speaker 3 00:31:22
Yeah, so he's, the living people that shaped his life most are then Sproul and Mark Green. And what's funny is I was, I watched the...
Speaker 1 00:31:51
C.S. Lewis, Mr. Lincoln, Comfort, or something like that.
Speaker 3 00:31:55
And apparently Lewis was like, ah, that's...
Speaker 2 00:32:15
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 00:32:33
Well, they're building on... They're operating on principles that we haven't...
Speaker 3 00:32:42
You know, I'm watching Lewis things. my mentor you know and at the time you know he's going to oxford right the mentors are only a week, older than you you know right right well i mean he had tutors and he had but yeah i mean he was talking about like and like the lord lunatic you know something um that came from lord liar yeah.
Speaker 3 00:33:23
that actually came from one of his you know tutors they hit him with that so he used it according to this you know there was a few that have been you know i remember getting hit but he said it in his book and i was like he said this to me i was like can you hear these guys talk you know.
Speaker 3 00:33:55
And that's what I'm trained at, I think, you know.
Speaker 1 00:34:07
It's like what I've been building here for a few years. Focus on what's in your wheels, which is why I'm trying to help you. It's been a while. I'm at a point where I don't want to take up.
Speaker 1 00:34:42
You and I can probably talk. I don't want to take up more of your time. I've got to get some stuff. I've literally been on the phone.
Speaker 2 00:34:50
I know it is, but, yeah, yeah, no, I'm down for whatever.
Speaker 1 00:35:42
I think, you know, what I'm trying to do is start building a framework for...
Speaker 3 00:35:55
Everyone wants to just go, can I just read your Bible? No.
Speaker 1 00:36:03
It's got to be something to see in the Bible. You can send it to the Lord, right? You know, so there's got to be the Word of God.
Speaker 3 00:36:24
It sounds like a requirement. If I'm expected to do it, it's got to be more, you know. And every time I go to try to figure it out myself.
Speaker 2 00:36:56
I'm a guy.
Speaker 3 00:37:13
I'll do it. There's a sense of, like I've actually just purchased an iPad so I can start to realize I can't, if I need to write more, see what's better, where it looks better, you know, outline.
Speaker 1 00:37:31
and stuff like that. It really helps.
Speaker 3 00:37:35
So I'm trying to, you know, I don't mind reading, but it's gotta be something that I can lock onto. That's my issue. Because I literally, it's just not possible. So, that's why I say work isn't just either, either I fall asleep, or I find that when I started listening to audiobooks, even if it was textbooks, it was like for the first time.
Speaker 3 00:38:25
So I started doing, I don't know if you remember this, but I started doing all this audio stuff. Now in audiobooks, when I started doing my master's, because I got half my master's and they came out behind me. I scanned it, I literally took a table saw to my book, scanned it all in, and digitized it to OCR and somewhere in the street.
Speaker 3 00:39:00
I started listening to a robot voice, you know, one half the speed, and then I would read the chapters three times over. All of a sudden, I can do this.
Speaker 1 00:39:28
I didn't even know you could do that.
Speaker 3 00:40:01
What I've been doing recently is I'll get a book on Audible. The podcasting platform I use is called Snipped, and it uses AI to... Okay, so I strip the DRM from it, I upload it to Snipped, and it'll transcribe everything, separate it out into chapters,
Speaker 3 00:40:33
grab all of the key points it thinks while I'm listening to it, I remember that, and then I'll export it in Notion, which is my note-taking. Not that I use it, or, I mean, it does it, but not that I...
Speaker 1 00:40:57
That's why I'm going with the iPad, I'm not trying to start making...
Speaker 1 00:41:46
Probably from now that I think about it.
Speaker 2 00:42:12
Who? Oh.
Speaker 2 00:44:32
How are you. 
Speaker 1 00:44:33
Do you want to leave them? Do you want to leave them on something? Fair enough. Sounds good. Thank you.
Speaker 2 00:45:02
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2 00:46:27
What? Oh. Is this? No.
Speaker 1 00:46:53
No? No. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:47:26
Because I think you have to do it. Okay. More back. Okay. Tomorrow. Then it's no cuts, right? No cuts. Okay. Exactly. You can move the joint a little bit.
Speaker 2 00:48:09
You look older. I don't know if you want to do it.
Speaker 4 00:48:22
Are we going to end up putting one of them on this? Uh. I don't know.
Speaker 2 00:49:20
Silica.
Speaker 1 00:49:31
Yesterday, I put a piece in the kitchen. Your grill? Yes. It was there.
Speaker 2 00:49:56
No, I'm more looking at that.
Speaker 1 00:50:20
Oh, yeah. One quarter. Six, three, six, seven. Just tell him you're here. Okay. Don't you talk to Rene? I don't answer.
Speaker 1 00:50:50
I'm going to send a message. So, no Rene? He's here tomorrow. Brandon. That's true. You're calling too? Yeah. But first it's Ronda. Ronda? Oh, yeah. Okay. Are you at work?
Speaker 1 00:51:24
No. Okay. That's good. What do you think about the... The levels? Did you check the graphs? What's this? You didn't finish? Oh shit. I thought you had a C. Oh, so... Yo, yo, check what left here.
Speaker 2 00:51:53
Thank you. Alright Alex, we'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 00:52:31
Oh, you took it all? Okay. Alright. Cuantos bolsas. 
Speaker 2 00:52:40
We just need a little bit just to put the bolstrips so we can flip them. Okay. Yeah, that's on my list.
Speaker 2 00:54:18
Thank you.
Speaker 5 00:56:31
it will break you now i'll tell you why this deep unity doesn't work it doesn't develop in most people because when you get married you have no idea the power you've got you start when you get into your first argument you start to deal with your spouse the way you've dealt with your brothers and your sisters and your parents and your roommates and your friends and you say things just like you said to them and you say mean things like you said to them and you don't think that it's not it's going to go any deeper into this person's heart than it did in other people other people walk away other people get over it look out look out you think you've got a bb gun in your hands and you've got a rocket launcher you think all you're going to do is sort of you know give.
Speaker 5 00:57:04
him a little flesh wound the next thing you know there's nothing there but a pair of sneakers with smoke coming out that's the funny illustration the awful illustration is i'm thinking of lenny and mice and men who doesn't know his own strength remember he has a little girl has a girl and and, and and trying to talk to her and try to show her what he wants to say and she starts to scream and he says don't you do that don't you say anything and next thing you know it says what does it say her head was flopping back and forth because lenny had broken her neck she was dead, He had no idea how strong he was. He didn't know his own strength. He meant well.
Speaker 5 00:57:34
If you use your ability to reprogram your spouse's self-appreciation, if you learn how to go into somebody's life, and even when you criticize, you do it in a way that's affirming, if you learn how to do that, and friends, you need to be doing it with your father and your mother and your parents and your brothers and your sisters and your roommates. You need to be doing it anyway. They're not getting killed by your sharp tongue. They're not getting killed by the nasty things you say, the unidentifying words you say. But if you get into a marriage with these kinds of speech patterns, you will find that you will kill each other. If, on the other hand, you start building one another up, what's fascinating is the more you affirm,
Speaker 5 00:58:06
you use that tremendous power to affirm the person, the easier it is for your spouse to open up about his or her faults. Because if you have a cradle of security, you're in moments of vulnerability. if you're if you know if you know that this is the one person who who really respects me knows me to the bottom and loves me and respects me and in that uh that's a certainty in your life it's like a ground note underneath everything else then it's you have a sort of security you have a foundation from which you can for the first time in your life admit your faults, because you see in the past to even admit your faults was very difficult.
Speaker 5 00:58:37
because he began to wonder whether you whether you were any.
Speaker 5 00:59:30
but now you know you know about your worth there your spouse does as see this is a great mystery, the relationship between a man and a wife is like a christ in the church of course it's a it's a fascinating mystery because as you know if you've been here and heard the preaching you know that it's the scripture that says that it's christ who does that to you christ reprograms your self-image christ says i died for you and that's the only thing that matters christ says let the fact that i died for you let that be the weightiest fact in your life let that matter more than anything else you matter to the only one who matters see christ reprograms that next to christ the person who can.
Speaker 5 01:00:03
do that the most effectively is your spouse because marriage is basically built on the dynamic of salvation it's built on the pattern of salvation that's the reason why paul can go back and forth talking about christ's salvation in relation to us and and the relationship between a husband and wife so in the same way if you do that if you affirm if you use this tremendous ability to reprogram that person self-image you'll find that you can the person will open up more and more and the deep oneness will come you'll have the ability to talk about one other's faults but on the other hand, if you abuse this if you don't realize you got a rocket launcher in your hands it's very fast what.
Speaker 5 01:00:36
will happen what will happen very quickly is both of you will realize i cannot try but i really can, because they can nail me like nobody ever has ever been able to nail me so i don't i'm afraid to do that so what you do is you close up and you say this is what happens is instead of deep oneness you have what most marriages are which is a kind of a combination of business partnership and social contract and and parenting partnership a lot of people have a slightly better relationship after the divorce raising their kids together right which goes to show they never really.
Speaker 2 01:01:01
developed or had the deep one call me your message and i'll get back to you as soon as i can.
Speaker 5 01:01:25
Now, there's three things. The first thing is you've got to let your spouse in if you want that one fleshness. You've got to let your spouse deal with your faults, give him access, him or her access to your dirt. If you don't do that, then you're denying the one flesh nature of marriage. Secondly, you've got to use this ability to reprogram your spouse's self-appreciation and affirm that spouse. You've got to use that so carefully. Because if you abuse that, your spouse will close up and your spouse will do it back to you. And you will just become, you know, two people who don't have the deep oneness. You're not one flesh. You're simply a partnership. You're not a new chemical, but rather you're just two chemicals that just happen to be interspersed amongst one another.
Speaker 5 01:01:60
You're laying there together and you interpenetrate one another, but you haven't actually become something new. Thirdly, the third thing is that you have got to, if you want this one fleshness, you've got to recognize that neither of you can act independently of the other. You see, the image of one flesh, of the head and the body, is pretty vivid. When the head turns right and the body turns left, you've got a problem. If the head and the body have to both turn right, they're one, they're together. One of the hardest things about becoming one flesh is to recognize that you're no longer independent people. Now, of course this doesn't mean you can't have your own interests and if she hates golf, you can't play golf.
Speaker 5 01:02:30
We're not talking at that level. What instead we're talking about is important life issues and decisions. You're not independent of one another. That means that you've really got to get inside of each other and do the hard work of consensus building and really build a new unit. You are not independent of one another. And this goes regardless of what your belief is about submission and headship. It doesn't matter what you think about, as we're going to see soon, when it says the man is the head of the wife and the wife must submit to the man. The man is the head and the wife is like the body. in a marriage. No matter how you define authority, the fact is the head is not independent of the.
Speaker 5 01:03:01
body. The head can't turn right and the body turn left. It's got to happen together.
Speaker 6 01:03:06
Marriage is one of the most profound human relationships, but it's one that at times can be difficult and painful. We'd like to briefly highlight a resource that provides help for anyone who wants to have more loving and stronger relationships. Tim and Kathy Keller draw from biblical wisdom and their own experiences to offer a year of daily meditations for couples in their book, The Meaning of Marriage, A Couple's Devotional. The book is a 365-day devotional that includes stories, daily scriptures, and prayer prompts that will help couples draw closer to God and to each other throughout the year. If you would like to make a gift to help Gospel and Life share the love of Christ with more people, we'll send you a copy of The Meaning.
Speaker 6 01:03:36
of Marriage, A Couple's Devotional as our thanks. To request your copy, simply visit gospelandlife.com. That's gospelandlife.com. Now, here's the conclusion of this episode of Cultivating a Healthy Marriage.
Speaker 5 01:03:51
David Martin Lloyd-Jones, who's one of my heroes, and I quote him as often as I can, he's a great Welsh preacher, tells his story when he was preaching a sermon on the fact that the husband and the wife are not independent of each other. If you want to develop one fleshness, you've got to work out your decisions and you've got to work for consensus rather than just negotiating and bargaining with each other like two countries, you see, who are just trying to find cooperative agreements as far as they can. He has this illustration. He was preaching on world missions. You know, maybe there were slides that night. And after the service, up comes a man who says, Dr. Lloyd-Jones, this was a stirring service.
Speaker 5 01:04:22
By the way, if any of you are thinking of doing this tonight, now watch out. He says, the Lord has called me into foreign missions. I've decided I'm going to go overseas and work in foreign missions. I know it's something that's really been on my heart lately, but now today, the Holy Spirit told me. And Dr. Lloyd-Jones instantly said, are you married? He says, sure. He said, have you talked to your wife about this at all? He says, no. He says, well, listen, the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible, right? The Holy Spirit, if this is the Holy Spirit, you've got a great test. The Holy Spirit will tell your wife you need to go in the mission field, too. The Holy Spirit will tell you. And he says, in fact, I'm a little bit dubious because it's very unlikely the Holy Spirit would tell you to do something and not tell you, I'm going to work this out with my wife.
Speaker 5 01:04:55
Because you see, the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible, the head is not independent of the body. The hard work of working on consensus and coming to one mind and the one heart about things, that hard work, if you don't do it, you will never experience and develop the one fleshness. So, now, one more thing. That's the reason, that's the reason the one fleshness doesn't work very often, it doesn't develop, and it's also the reason why, it's the way in which you can develop it. But what the heck is it? What is this? What do you mean, oh preacher, when you say that two people become something new, that they're not just interspersed with each other, they become a third kind of chemical, that you really become a third kind of person, and not really the people you were?
Speaker 5 01:05:31
That is a complex subject, and we bridge into this whole subject of role relationships between men and women in marriage, and I can do some introductory work this week and next week lay the whole thing out. Let me just suggest that this one fleshness develops especially in two ways. along temperament lines and along gender lines and i know that they're not completely, different things but uh because very often certain genders have certain temperaments but let me explain it this way what is a temperament now you know the traditional temperaments that the greeks talk about sanguine uh choleric or choleric i can never tell which way you're.
Speaker 5 01:06:02
supposed to say it melancholy and phlegmatic remember that temperaments are habitual ways in which you deal with the world uh somebody once pointed out that if you have two axes, at this end you have people who believe that the world uh is basically a friendly place where good things happen and here's people at the other end of the access people who basically believe the world is a dangerous place and an unfriendly place where bad things happen then take another access people who believe that basically you need to get out there and act hello hey yeah let's go ahead.
Speaker 7 01:06:36
you okay yeah i'm just i have a headache. It's fine.
Speaker 3 01:06:49
Um, did you... Do you know what time Katie's bringing the boys back. 
Speaker 7 01:06:54
Yeah, Katie's gonna bring the boys back for us.
Speaker 3 01:06:56
I don't... Do you know what time. 
Speaker 7 01:06:58
No.
Speaker 3 01:06:59
Did you see that Ben has practice tonight. 
Speaker 7 01:07:02
I did not see that Ben has practice tonight.
Speaker 3 01:07:04
So he's got an indoor practice at 6.30.
Speaker 7 01:07:08
Well, I don't know. It's up to you. I'm inclined to just not do anything. I'm inclined to leave it alone, only because, while I think soccer is important, like, when did it happen? When did he update it. 
Speaker 3 01:07:23
A couple hours ago.
Speaker 7 01:07:25
So, like, I just kind of feel like... I don't know. If we've already made other plans for something, we've already made other plans for something. He doesn't have a game this weekend. So... Okay. I would rather just value the time that we have together. then and take the win versus like do it you know and accommodate him when it needs to be accommodated for then to go out of our way and to sacrifice when we don't really have to yet is that okay yeah no that's fine well let's touch base with yawning okay if it was unhinging.
Speaker 7 01:08:03
everybody else's schedule you know if everybody else has scheduled you know it's like i think there's just so many objectives about i just think you know all right are you sure you're all right yeah i'm okay i just have a headache i just got back i'm starting to get rolling again.
Speaker 3 01:08:22
for work so that's it okay usually you talk to me like this after we've had a hard conversation.
Speaker 7 01:08:29
no we were good no we're fine okay i just can't have a long conversation i can't have i can't jump in a conversation that's fine i'm just.
Speaker 3 01:08:41
I thought we were good. It didn't sound like you were good. I was trying to check with me. That's fine. That's great. I appreciate that. Yeah. No, we're good. All right. And I will. I'll talk to you later. All right. Thanks. Bye. Love you on the world before it gets to you.
Speaker 5 01:09:04
And over the other end, you have people who really believe that the wisest thing to do is to sort of lay back and wait for things to happen and then react to them. And if you if you diagram, you know, if you put those two axes against one another, you basically come up with people who say the world is the world's danger. The world's dangerous. And also, you need to get out there. That's the choleric person, the dominant personality. and a person who says the world's basically kind of dangerous but you need to wait for the world to come to you wait for the world to come to you that's a melancholy person people say the world's basically a friendly place and you need to let the world come to you that's a phlegmatic person.
Speaker 5 01:09:35
and the people that say the world's basically a friendly place and uh you need to get out there and do something that's a sanguine person an outgoing person a very very relationally oriented person now i'm not trying to get into temperaments much other than to say this i don't think there's only four but that's a way of putting it what is a temperament a temperament is a habitual way to deal with the world that we develop because we're not wise enough to be versatile you see is the world a dangerous place where bad things happen that's not here or is the world a friendly place which where good things happen biblically what's the answer to that the answer is both.
Speaker 5 01:10:05
world though you know the heavens are telling the glory of god there's beautiful things in the world but god it's god's creation and yet it's a wicked place and it's a dangerous place and it's a broken place should you get out there and act or should you wait and the answer is if you go to the book of proverbs what is the right thing to do in every situation the answer is it depends, So, see, none of these situations are always the wise way to be. Jesus Christ had no temperament. He could not be classified. Why? He was perfectly wise. See, an extrovert is somebody who says the best thing to do is to walk out and introduce yourself.
Speaker 5 01:10:35
The introvert basically says, I'll wait and see what happens. I'll see who's out there. I'll wait for somebody to ask me. What's the right thing to do? What's the wisest thing to do? What's the best way to deal in a relationship? The answer is it depends. Jesus was not an extrovert or introvert. He was exactly what he needed to be if the situation demanded. But none of the rest of us are. All of us develop temperaments, habitual ways of doing things. And if we happen to get into a condition, if we tend to be a sanguine person, for example, and we're in a situation that works very well for someone who basically is optimistic, basically feels people are going to like them, basically feels if I step out there and introduce myself, things are going to work out okay,
Speaker 5 01:11:07
everything's fine. But if you're in a situation that really calls for a phlegmatic or melancholy response, you'll get your head taken off. When you get married, Generally speaking to some degree for sure even if you're the same basic temperament You've got there's different degrees you you are forced for the first time in your life to see the world Continually to the eyes of someone of another temperament and what that does is has a profound, And of course the vice versa and that has a profound profound. Impact on your wisdom because after a number of years of marriage.
Speaker 5 01:11:38
There's two things that are happening instead of one see the old way because of your temperament you habitually would do something without even thinking You react to a situation because of your temperament, but now two things happen There's not only habitual thing, but you suddenly say I know what can't be you do here, and it's almost as habitual not quite It's almost as habitual to suddenly realize I know what my spouse would do and for an instant You have the ability now instead of one option of two You have the ability to realize that you have the ability to slow yourself down and see which of these two things would be better You've also had the experience of having your spouse sort of forcefully push you into a situation that he or she knew.
Speaker 5 01:12:08
Was not the way that you would like to respond But that he or she knew was the wise way to respond and you found out it does work, What happens is, there's a kind of wisdom that can develop only through this kind of intimate relationship. And you really do become someone different. Your temperament actually changes. Your wisdom and your ability to understand the world actually changes. But then secondly, the reason you become one flesh is because, for the first time in your life, you've got to relentlessly and continually look at the world through the eyes of another gender. Now, this is where I'd like to say a few words of introduction. Because they're introductory words, I expect some of you will find them controversial.
Speaker 5 01:12:40
Fine. That'll make you come back. As Jim Irwin says, it'll make you buy the tape so we can buy our own building. But here, let me say this along those lines. The scripture clearly states, again and again, that a man and woman in marriage are not reversible roles. Don't you see here, only the husband is told to love his wife. The wife's not told to love her husband. And only the wife is told to respect. her husband. The husband's not told to respect his wife. Now, what does that mean? Does that really mean that wives aren't supposed to love their husbands? Does that really mean the husband.
Speaker 5 01:13:11
is supposed to respect their wives? Of course, that's silly. You can't make a scripture ridiculous like that. What does it mean, though? It means that in the marriage, they're both building each other up. They're both changing each other in the ways we've been talking about, but they're not doing it in the same way. The fact is, the husband doesn't love his wife the way a wife loves her husband. The husband does not build up his wife the way a wife builds up the husband, because, being a woman and being a man are callings. They're different callings. You've got different gifts. You do it differently. There's nowhere in the Bible ever that you see when a husband and a wife are both dealt with that they're told to do the same things in the same words. Modern wedding vows, the old wedding vows, used to have some differences. The modern wedding vows are absolutely.
Speaker 5 01:13:45
reversible. The wife is asked and the husband is asked to do the very same things in the very same words. You never see that in the Bible. Why? Because even though there's obvious mutuality, there's obvious equality, there's not interchangeability, there's not equivalency. You know, studies are showing this. Put a woman as a CEO in this job. Put a man as a CEO in the same job. Give them the same goals. You know, Ask them both to turn a $1 million profit this year. And what if they both do it? If they both do it, studies will show you 100 times almost out of 100, they will have done it different ways. A woman is not a manager the way a man is a manager. They have, in a sense, there's an asymmetrical mutuality even there,
Speaker 5 01:14:17
and you can see it. And when it comes to what I said is seeing myself, pardon me, working through a different gender, what it means is that for the first time in your life, being a male and being a female are two ways of being human, and by themselves, the Bible says, they are kind of unbalanced. Adam, when he had no sin in his life, when he had a perfect relationship with God, there'd been no fall, there'd been no serpent, there'd been no apple or orange or whatever the heck it was, there'd been no fruit, none of that had happened. He was alone. He was lonely.
Speaker 5 01:14:48
And when the woman was brought to him, he said, at last, I found myself. That means that there's, you see, there's a complementary nature. And it also shows that Jesus Christ has not given all of his attributes to both men and women in the same way. It doesn't mean, for example, that men and women can't both be heroes and that men and women can't both be nurturers. But what's very clear from the Bible is men will nurture differently than women and women will be heroes in a different way than men. The beauty of it is this. When the Bible says to the husband, be men, what does it say?
Speaker 5 01:15:19
Look at Jesus. It says that here. Look at Jesus. Look at his relationship with his church. See how he died for his church. See how he manages everything in life for the church. The Bible says he manages all history for the church. And you, oh men, have to realize the same thing. If you are going to be real husbands, it's your job to take authority. Yes, we'll talk about what that is. To take authority, but it's an authority that by no means is oppressive. Who can be upset with Jesus' authority? When he went to the mat, when he went to the cross for you, when he was willing to deny everything for you, and now does absolutely nothing, the Bible says, Romans 8, 28,
Speaker 5 01:15:51
except that which brings about your joy and perfection. Nothing. Is that oppressive authority? But here's what's so beautiful. When the Bible says, women, look at femininity, and what does it mean to be feminine? The Bible says it means to be a help. What does the word help mean, as we'll see? The word help means to use your power in a way that enables and empowers somebody else. Women do that better than men. To use your power in such a way that it empowers someone else, that it enables instead of replaces him. When I help my son with his algebra, it's because, on the one hand, I help him if I know more about it than he does, so a woman can only help her husband if she's got resources that he doesn't have, if there's a deficiency in him that's not in her, if there's things that she can do that he can't do.
Speaker 5 01:16:29
But I also, in order to help my son with his algebra, cannot do it for him. I can enable him to do his algebra with my superior power in the areas I have power. But when I enable him, I am not replacing him. I'm not doing it for him. Feminine power means bringing to bear on the husband, the wife brings to bear on the husband, and things that she can do that she knows that she sees that he doesn't have, resources he doesn't have. She's superior to him in certain ways. They're very difficult to define biblically, but they're there. However, what she does with her power, she doesn't replace him, she enables him, she empowers him.
Speaker 5 01:17:00
And when those two things are happening in the life, the two become one flesh. Where does a woman look for femininity? Where does a woman look for her model? She looks to Jesus, too. Why? Because, you see, it's what's beautiful. There's two places in the Bible that say a man is ahead of a wife, like. Here it says, as Christ is the head of the church, but in 1 Corinthians 11 it says, as the father is the head of the son. So on the one hand, it means the son is the perfect example of masculinity. Look at him and then you know what masculinity is. Real leadership, real authority, no oppressiveness. But at the same time, the son is the picture of femininity too. The voluntary subordination of an equal to an equal.
Speaker 5 01:17:32
The putting his power under someone else. The glorifying of someone. The enabling and the empowering of somebody. He is just as much a paragon of feminine power as masculine power. And therefore, of course, being a woman or being a man, neither is more fundamentally divine. Neither of them, one is not higher than the other. When two people, incomplete, are brought together in marriage and continually and regularly look at the world through the eyes of the other, it is a heck of an experience. It is an amazing experience. You're no longer really what you were before. The two chemicals have come together. And the reason the two chemicals have come together is because, you see, both the power and the tenderness of Jesus have been united in your lives.
Speaker 5 01:18:10
Look at the masculinity of Jesus. Look at the femininity of Jesus. Look at the authority of Jesus. Look at the submission of Jesus. And you say, look at that. If you understand the gospel, you can understand the relationships within marriage. If you understand the gospel, you can understand friendship. If you understand the gospel, you can understand what it means to affirm your spouse and what it means to be one flesh. If you can't understand the gospel, you know, to me, the amazing thing is not why so many marriages break up. The amazing thing to me, in light of what this passage is saying, and in light of the ignorance of what the passage is saying, the amazing thing is why so many marriages stay together.
Speaker 5 01:18:41
Look to Jesus, and he will complete you. One very last thing, and that is, now we'll mention this next week in some detail, but here's what I have to say. Some people say, I'm a single person, and you're talking about the need for completion. Well, you know, this is discouraging. I'd like to be married. I'm not married. Does that mean I'm an incomplete person? In what way am I an incomplete person? And the answer is... Don't forget, just as a spouse can reprogram your self-image, nevertheless, marriage is only an analogy of the great marriage of Jesus Christ with the church. The real sanctifier is not a husband, my dear ladies, it's Jesus.
Speaker 5 01:19:12
The real helper, the real completer is not a wife, my dear friend guys, but it's Jesus. And you know, because we live in a fallen world, because all of us are sort of sub-men and sub-women, and because even the best marriage is so far from what it ought to be, let me just tell you that the difference between marriage and being single is not as great as it ought to be. Marriage is not nearly as sanctifying as it could be. It's not nearly as completing as it could be. And if God in his providence has kept you out of a marriage up to now, then look to him. He is your helper, guys. He is your husband, ladies.
Speaker 5 01:19:44
If you look at him, whether you're married or whether you're single, you'll see in him the completion and the perfection of your souls. Let's pray. Father, we ask especially that you'd help us to see the great power that we have in marriage. I pray that the people here who are not married may not be scared of this power, that they might not be intimidated, but recognize simply that you would not call them into a relationship unless you'd give them the power and the wisdom to know how to use this great power. Father, those people who are here in a married state, I pray that you would show them how they can use this tremendous power to create one flesh, to create new units, to create deep oneness and unity.
Speaker 5 01:20:19
But most of all, Father, we pray that just as we learn from all this teaching on salvation, about marriage, that we would also learn even more from all this teaching on marriage about your salvation. Help us to see it's only as we are in a relationship with you, O Lord Jesus Christ, both husband and helper, both authority and submission model. We pray, Father, that it's through our relationship with Jesus that we might truly become completed. Give us marriage or keep us from marriage. Give us a great marriage or give us a mediocre marriage, but give us yourself, O Lord Jesus Christ, and we will have everything we need. And we pray this in Jesus' name.
Speaker 6 01:20:55
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Speaker 4 01:21:43
I encourage you to keep on, you know, producing domestic oil. You've already increased domestic production by about a million barrels a day since you came to office. Drive down costs, drive down cost of products, groceries, all of these things. The other thing, too, that's going to be critical for us in 2026 is Trump actually playing a real role in getting his voters out. I think it's a dynamic that people need to be aware of and pay attention. We don't live in 2004, 2008 when Republicans were able to start out. We don't live in elections. In the Trump era, it has to be high turnout elections for Republicans to win. And the man that can bring them out is Donald Trump. He's, of course, not on the ballot, but his agenda and his policies are. And he's already committed to obviously doing a series of rallies. I hope that he'll try to spend three to four million from Mac and Inc.
Speaker 4 01:22:15
...where they're overlapping with key house districts in 26th and 28th. in addition to the ones we win in redistricting. So I'm kind of bullish with the midterms in November. Thank God they're in November and not January. Well, that's a lot to address. But let's stick to the last point, redistricting. We saw what happened in Indiana. What the hell was that? And how can we put some vitamin T for testosterone into some of these Republican eunuchs? It's shameful what happened in Indiana. I really view them as traitors to the party. I'm trying to be fair about that. It's a big amount of false traitors to the Republicans because they don't seem to understand what time it is.
Speaker 4 01:22:46
We're not dealing with a granddaddy-democratic party. We're dealing with a Marcus Lab. And Rich, I've said this many times. I'll say it again. The way that this anchors is we either submit to them or they submit to us. We rule them or they rule us. That's the only way to send for the Marcus Lab. And for Republicans, the state senators in Indiana to fail like they did is shameful. I hope every last one of them gets a primary challenge. I hope that they're actually all out of office. I think Cam Savage, the consultant that was behind it, I hope that he is blacklisted in the Republican circle. And even more so, I'm pretty sure that Todd Young, Republican senator out of Indiana, also his fingerprints are somewhere in this whole mess in Indiana. I hope he gets a primary challenge in 2020 and Trump endorses that primary challenger. Well, look, I think it's important that if somebody crosses, you knock them on their foot. You agree with me that one of the main problems with the Republican Party now is so many of these politicians, consultants, hangers-on, somehow managed to grow up never getting in a fistfight.
Speaker 4 01:23:36
Well, look, I think flicking the comfortable is something that we as Republican activists should do. Let's look ahead to 2028, because I want to pick your brain. It looks like a clear runway for J.D. Vance. I love J.D. Vance, which is why I want him to be in a hardcore primary fight. Yeah, yeah. No, I think right now he's in the driver's seat. I think that's pretty obvious. I think the midterms are going to be a big test for him as well, though. I mean, he's the RNC finance chair, so he's going to be successful in raising the funds necessary for us all in the House. He's pretty confident about the Senate. If we lose the Senate, the House is going to be a total disaster. But, you know, if J.D. can be successful as the RNC finance chair, if he is, I think that really does set him up to be the frontrunner for the 2028 nomination. Again, let's also be honest about this, because it's also the Trump sweepstakes. But, you know, you're right.
Speaker 4 01:24:07
I love J.D. I think J.D.'s got a great team around him. I wouldn't mind a little bit of a primary challenge just to kick the tires and refine, their campaign going into a general. I have seen, just being in Virginia. Let me make a quick point here about Virginia. The gubernatorial campaign was a complete and total disaster here in which Winston Sears got obliterated, took down all the other statewides, and the House. You hear gossip, you hear rumors. Do you think we're going to see a Supreme Court justice or two retire next summer? Maybe. The rumors are not really floating around that much about retirements on the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4 01:24:39
I haven't heard anything that's kind of gone to the top of my radar on that front. But I would love it if Trump got one or two more picks to make sure we have the Supreme Court for a very long time. This is one thing, Kurt, that I think will be one of Trump's greatest triumphs. When it's all said and done, the Supreme Court that he has restructured and continues to restructure will exist long after he is gone. And it has provided us a massive backstop to the left. And it has also provided us the ability to, I think, really start to deconstruct the administrative state in which we've seen Supreme Court decisions in the last year or two, with Trump's Supreme Court starting to really kick the foundations of the state. And I think that's a fantastic thing. Well, Happy New Year, Ned Ryan, CEO of American Majority. I guess that's Kurt Schlichter. We've got a lot more to go, so stick around. We're back on the Hugh Hewitt Radio Program, and that's Kansas, with Carrie on My Wayward Son, the perfect intro song for my friend Carrie Pickett of the Washington Times.
Speaker 4 01:25:11
She's the White House correspondent. Hi, Carrie, how are you doing? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me, Kurt. Well, look, big story out there, Somali corruption, and it's spreading all over the country. You're at the White House. How's President Trump and his administration going to deal with this. 
Speaker 8 01:25:21
Well, you know, Kurt, the interesting thing here is that they have several avenues to really hit at this. The first avenue is the political aspect of it, where they can go through the House Oversight Committee, where you have Chairman James Comer, who is investigating it, and they can figure that they can start looking towards it, and start looking at the governor of Minnesota, as well as other high-ranking officials, and ultimately, if they find any sort of criminal wrongdoing, ultimately they can start looking towards criminal referrals towards the Justice Department. On the legal aspect of it, which is where you have a lot of interest in, you already have Cash Mattel, you also have the Justice Department, as well, who are looking to charge several individuals, and there are several individuals who already have been charged, and see how many within the Somali community who could ultimately go to a prison on this, and you also have the Homeland Security Department,
Speaker 8 01:25:51
as well as the administration, who could have their hands in this, Kurt.
Speaker 4 01:25:53
Well, Kerry Pickett, you know, I obviously have to do a legal investigation, but, you know, if you throw this over to the House and put another thing on their plate, you know, it kind of smacks of the world, we're going to form a blue ribbon commission. If there's anything I've ever heard that requires a true social post from Donald Trump, it is, you know, Nick Shirley's 110 million viewed video, where Trump ought to retweet that and say, hey, look at what's going on, look at what Tim Walz did, look at the guy that Kamala Harris picked as her VP nominee. I think this is a political hammer, and I think they ought to start swinging it.
Speaker 8 01:26:15
up in Maine, for example, or any other state that also took in many individuals within the Somali community who came in here under pretty suspicious means. And it's not just the Somali community. It's also other countries that came in in very similar circumstances many, many years ago and then took advantage of the particularly generous welfare state within the United States. And look, you have Minnesota, which has a very Scandinavian welfare system that was taken advantage of to a degree. And then, unfortunately, now here we have Governor Walz, who said, oh, well, you know, now I have a reform program that's going to fix all the fraud in this system. Well, now you're just saying this after the fact when you essentially got caught in it because previously there was a law that were apparently threatened if they even set forward this information.
Speaker 4 01:26:41
Well, Kerry, I just think it's a missed opportunity. And Trump doesn't make this a personal political issue because it cuts at the Democrat assumptions of immigration and it cuts at the Democrat assumptions of the welfare state. You know, you can be ridiculous like Tim Walz and say, well, I'd say it's white supremacy to look at Somali daycare fraud. And normal people, even normal Democrats are going to look at it and go, you know, I didn't sign in for a bunch of guys fresh off the boat from Mogadishu, repping us off to the $2.8 billion. I didn't do that. I think it's a very powerful opportunity, and I would like to see Donald Trump not miss it.
Speaker 8 01:27:01
That's actually a very good point there, because for many years, you had people who did not want to talk about this, because they weren't scared that they were going to be called a racist, but I think we have stepped way beyond that now, because you have many people who are sick and tired of getting ripped off. Donald Trump sort of put that confidence behind them, and now, when they see what I think about this for a second, you have the Somalian GDP, which is about $12 billion, and at this point, they know that at least $9 billion has been defrauded off of the federal taxpayer. I mean, that's absolutely ridiculous. Those people are told that, that's something where people are like, well, you're a racist, what are you talking about? No, no, no, you're a thief, you're using your money, so come on out, please.
Speaker 4 01:27:23
Uh-oh. Gary Pickett from the Washington Times, he recently had an article on how the Trump White House and its press team were going to confront the regime media. Can you tell us about that big scoop? Because I thought it was fascinating.
Speaker 8 01:27:30
Yes, this is very interesting, because you have, if you recall, when President Trump first came to office in 2017, he thought that perhaps because he was in the media going back to the 1970s, he was at a very friendly sort of relationship, he thought that perhaps that would continue, even though there were some, you know, it's a surprise, but he was a very hostile media. I spoke with Sean Spicer, his first White House press secretary, as well as Caroline Levin, his present press secretary, and Sean Spicer, we were shocked as to how hostile they were, and we were told that we had to conform to the traditional way that White House press secretaries always did things, and of course we did, but then we sort of changed things up, but by the time they changed things up, it was always sort of too late, because they were always on defense. By the time Caroline Levin came in this time around, it was like, no, now we're going to have things done our way, we're going to have more conservative media in there to make sure that we are covered more fairly.
Speaker 8 01:28:03
They ended up bringing back more media passes, which is about, you know, as far past as about 500 media passes were brought back, you see more conservative media in there. They actually tracked down reporters on online social media, such as PEX and Facebook, et cetera, et cetera, and they tracked it down to, you know, longer, how dare you do this. They are much more aggressive, and you see that in the briefing, you see that on next, and you see that Caroline Levin really volume puts it to her predecessor, Kimmy Mackey, and making sure that she calls out reporters who they feel are covering them incorrectly.
Speaker 4 01:28:21
Do you see any improvement by the mainstream regime media towards fair coverage of the Trump administration 2.0? Or are there... Just a second.
Speaker 8 01:28:29
Absolutely. Because I certainly don't... It seems like they are turning a little more, especially because the AP, I don't know if it has a special access, but they're able to be there all the time in a lot of the cool events and work. They're no longer trying to get away with the Trump-Columbia comms people. Let's just say they are turning them a little more clearly, but still at the same time, they're also trying to sneak around a little more often. So, let's just say it's a different union.
Speaker 4 01:28:46
Well, Kerry Pickett of The Washington Times, the White House correspondent.
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Speaker 4 01:32:16
which is primarily the Somali diaspora, and it seems to be its endemic crime, and a massive fraud. And, you know, when Jewish people immigrated to America from around the globe, they were able to, I mean, they weren't Jewish criminals, I mean, Meyer Lansky, but they were able to integrate with our society fairly rapidly because, you know, it's a Judeo-Christian country. We have something in common. My argument is, we don't really have a lot in common with Somali culture, which is pretty much summed up by the movie Black Hawk Down, and we shouldn't be surprised that when we introduce an alien culture, it acts alien.
Speaker 10 01:32:41
but I think a lot about my mother's father, who himself was an immigrant, kind of classic Jewish New York City immigrant, lower East Side ten-minute kind of story, and he grew up very poor, as essentially most, pretty much all Jewish immigrants of that Ellis Island immigration wave did, and he had a slogan that he developed as he was learning English, and he lived his whole life by the slogan, he said, if you can conceive it, and you can believe it, then you can achieve it, and he very much lived the quintessential American dream, he built his own real estate business, he ended up, unfortunately, after he built his small 14-year-old, he had a gambling problem, and the point is, that there were many generations of immigrants who really did truly assimilate into American culture, and small culture, it's not just you, Kirk, I think most Americans were paying attention, you don't have to be. late, if you love your friend Charlie Kirk, spend more swans than last year of his life arguing, that Islam, categorically, is not particularly compatible with Western civilization,
Speaker 10 01:33:13
with American republicanism, American constitutionalism, that's not to say that there are not individual Muslims who can happily assimilate, of course, there are many examples, there are, our old pal Dr. Judy Jasher, but there are plenty of examples there, but speaking here about categories, you know, you and I are lawyers, we think about the categorical and the individual, at a categorical level, Islam, not just Islamism, but Islam itself, and basically sheer percentages of Muslims throughout the world who are doing very different things than Islam, are they defrauding others in the name of Islam, I don't really know, Kirk, what I know is that's not acceptable, it's a massive scandal, if I'm here, billions of dollars, we're largest defrauding the largest built-in American taxpayer in the history of the United States, I personally want to see people go to jail, I want to see prosecutions, I want to see not just random Somalis who are operating these fraudulent child care centers, I would like to know what Tim Walz and Keith Olsen do, and when do they go, by the way, what did Kamala Harris and Vane team know, Kirk, and when did they know. 
Speaker 4 01:33:51
I was saying that I sure hope she doesn't pick Josh Shapiro, but of course she didn't pick Josh Shapiro, and I can think of two reasons why. A, he outshines her. B, he's Jewish, and that's poison in the Democrat Party.
Speaker 10 01:33:58
Yeah, Josh Shapiro would be the obvious pick. Obvious, I'm the son. For sure, that's why he is the most important by any certain amount of age in all the states. Josh Shapiro has a very positive favorability. By the way, Kirk, I mean, come 2020, if Democrats sober up a little, I think that Shapiro probably is the most formidable candidate. I think you're right, I just think he's going to have trouble winning a primary.
Speaker 4 01:34:10
Because while the Republican Party has had issues with anti-Semites, who many of them don't identify as Republicans, but they're kind of lumped with the right because they're not active leftists, this is part and parcel of the Democrat Party. We don't have a Michigan problem. The Somali votes in Minnesota. It is a real, real problem for the Democrats. And I think as much as I like to be able to take advantage of the folly of my enemies, I think it's bad for America.
Speaker 10 01:34:26
Oh, it's absolutely terrible for America. It's absolutely horrific, Kurt. This country was built as a Christian country. I say that as an orthodoxy, but it was built, Kurt, on a certain type of Christianity. Christianity of American founders was a very Hebrew Bible, Old Testament-based Christianity. That's why Leviticus is inscribed in Liberty Bell in Philadelphia. That's why Benjamin Franklin Thomas Jefferson won the National Seal of the United States. Moses partied in the Red Sea. They viewed themselves as modern Israelites fleeing their version of oppression back in Egypt. This is part of our story. When you import cultures, in this case the Somalis, who simply just do not understand this. On the contrary, frankly, they want to hypnotize and act by the exact opposite of that culture. History supremacists take over, at least in certain individuals in their own minds there. Only that culture has a chance at survival. So Trump has started this whole conversation when it comes to what is American, what is American, ice, deportations. Frankly, Kurt, I'm going to leave you a little at the top there. I want to see some more denaturalization proceedings there.
Speaker 10 01:34:56
If you defrauded our immigration services and lied about your support for foreign territorialization on your naturalization paperwork there, to me, that's very dangerous.
Speaker 4 01:35:00
Well, Josh Hammer, I think Donald Trump has opened the open window, and I hope he throws a lot of these bums out of our country. Thank you for joining us, Josh, on the Article Free Project. I'm your host, Kurt Schlichter. This is the QHL. Stick around, we've got more to tell you.
Speaker 9 01:35:21
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Speaker 4 01:35:29
This is Kurt Schlicker, and I am your guest host now on an all-Minneapolis day here at the Hugh Hewitt Show. That's the Suicide Commandos with their amazing rock and roll sensations and complicated fun with my favorite songs. I love it so much. This is great for me. I'm having a great time. Let's see what I can do to make it better. Hi, I'm being joined by my pal, Jim Garrity. He is the senior political correspondent over at National Review Online. Jim, welcome to the Hugh Hewitt Show. Good afternoon, Kurt. Happy impending new year. I've got to say, Suicide Commandos is my favorite James Gunn film. Nice, nice. Oh, man. Jim, you and I have been good friends for a long time. We disagree on a lot of things about Donald Trump. But let me ask you something. You know, the vibe seems to be shifting here. I wrote about this at Town Hall the other day. Yeah, the economic news is good. There are great things happening in foreign policy. We may very well see Maduro go down, followed by those SOBs in Cuba, of which I have a personal interest in seeing swinging from a lamppost.
Speaker 4 01:36:03
And it looks like Iran, where the IRGC is now using light ammunition to try and hold on to power, that may fall, too. If all that falls, Trump's going to be looking pretty good, right? Kurt, not only will he be looking pretty good, I would say he's the greatest neoconservative president of all time, taking the mantle from George W. Bush. No, seriously. Democrats and Republicans have said Iran must not have a nuclear program. And, you know, year by year, decade by decade, the Iranians kept inching closer and closer. And what I think was probably one of the best decisions the president's made all year, we did the bombing operation, and it's now been set back probably at least two years, and the Iranian nuclear program is under a giant pile of rubble. So there's that. So I'll be fair, for all of this, you know, the Maduro goes down. Earlier this week, the Iranian Supreme Ayatollah said that we were in a state of total war with them. Kurt, had you noticed? I think I would have noticed a state of total war.
Speaker 4 01:36:34
I think it's something if, like, Iran has not been in the news since the bombing operation, about halfway through the year. Everyone's finally come out, they've got all the saber and all that stuff. Oh, I would love it. And frankly, the Iranians are building bridges to America right now. We have joint forces against Canada, which the Iranians just recently declared the Royal Canadian Navy to be a terrorist organization. So, you know, there's a shot at unity. But Jim, let me ask you something about this Somali fraud thing,
Speaker 4 01:37:05
because to me it's the gift that keeps on giving. It's a great big cactus thorn covered suppository for our Democrat friends going into 2026. How do you think this is going to play? Well, first of all, the very first thing that I ever wrote about Tim Walz, in fact, I went and looked it up, July 29th, 2024, and I said that there was no way Kamala Harris was going to pick Tim Walz. because the entire Minnesota state government had one egregiously embarrassing fraud scandal after another, and nobody in their right mind would ever pick Tim Walz because he's nowhere near prepared to be the next president of the United States. Well, I completely erroneously watched that one, but Kurt, how much would you have been sent to you by the time we get to the end of 2025 on the Harris-Walz campaign? Harris will be perceived as the smart one. Would you have taken that bet at any point in 2024? I would have left money on the table, Jim Garrity, on the next short review. What's the strange new respect for Kamala Harris? I've got to be in comparison to the two walls?
Speaker 4 01:37:35
I don't understand. She's leading the race. Yes, well, that's a great recommendation. I actually don't think that's a big deal. One more point on walls, and I think it's drastically undercut, and it's not the biggest aspect of this, but it is a revealing one. Back in November, Minnesota's legislature has this company called the Office of Legislative Orders. Its job is to audit state spending, and unsurprisingly, it's one of the things that has found a bunch of these fraud scandals, right? They did an audit of the offices of Governor Walz, Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan, right? From 2022 to the end of last year, 2024, basically all kinds of spending, all kinds of basics, right? And unsurprisingly, things were not taken care of in very basic stuff like keeping track of receipts, timesheets, holiday leave, leave payments, reimbursements and payments, all kinds of stuff. But somebody might be like, oh, who cares about that stuff? It's, you know, small potatoes compared to these billions of dollars. I'm not going to dispute that. I'm going to observe. If you're the governor of Minnesota, how your office runs is one of the few things you absolutely control. It's not a matter of you have to work with the state legislature.
Speaker 4 01:38:05
This is the basic, in terms of what you understand, this is the basic blocking and tackling of management. And Tim Walz, and Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan, who's running for Senate, both were terrible at this. So it's not like, oh, we couldn't keep track of that stuff because, you know, they couldn't keep track of what was going on in their own office, which is like a demonstration of Tim Walz, like, boy, he's got that folksiness and he talks about how he doesn't have a fixer-carter and all that stuff. He can't manage. And when I say he can't manage, I don't just mean he can't work with the legislature on the executive branch. He can't manage things in his own office. I'm like, is everybody filling out their timesheets? Is everybody filling out the right paperwork for reimbursement? Like, this is something I'm, Kurt, you had a law firm. I am sure you had to do all this stuff. You were in your law firm. I did. And I'm not saying.
Speaker 4 01:38:38
on the state website. And it just kind of struck me as an example of people who are on the left side of the spectrum have these grandiose desires of how governments can take care of health care. They want to do, you know, obviously a great expansion of child care, right? You're not meant to take on bigger and more extensive roles in government security, but they can't take care of the basics. And why are you asking for more money from me and more authority over me if you can't take care of these basics? Yeah, I think it's, I mean, that's the purpose of the Democratic Party, to generate money for its constituents so they stay loyal. Jim, we've got 30 seconds left. Right now, how do you think 2026 is going to go in the midterms? I'm kind of optimistic. I think if the economy's kicking, the Republicans could, in fact, increase their margin. I think it could be rough. Part of it is the high retirement rate. The redistricting wars might mitigate that a bit. I think the Democrats may over-interpret Montgomery and nominate a bunch of, you know, left-wing nutjobs here and there, but look, it's a midterm that really goes well with the President's Party,
Speaker 4 01:39:09
so I'm not as optimistic as you think. Well, thank you, Jim Garrity. Happy New Year to you and your family. Always great to talk to my pal, Jim. You're on the QQH. I guess it's Kurt Schlichter.
Speaker 11 01:39:14
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Speaker 2 01:39:34
I'm sorry, you can't leave a message because the person you called has a voicemail box that.
Speaker 12 01:40:03
hasn't been set up yet. Goodbye.
Speaker 3 01:40:19
I called her, comma, no answer, period. Hey, hi.
Speaker 12 01:40:42
Hi.
Speaker 3 01:40:44
How are you. 
Speaker 12 01:40:47
So nice to hear your voice.
Speaker 3 01:40:49
Likewise. It's nice you have a phone now. I can call you.
Speaker 12 01:40:54
Yeah. Yes. And it's nice that you did. Are you coming home from work. 
Speaker 3 01:41:02
Almost. I'm headed that way, but I have some errands to run first.
Speaker 12 01:41:09
So how are things going with you. 
Speaker 3 01:41:17
You know, God's still good, so I'm still good.
Speaker 12 01:41:22
Well, that's good. That's good. Because you were thinking of doing something else, so that's why I asked.
Speaker 3 01:41:31
I'm still thinking of doing something else, but God has not wanted to. open the way open the way so for now i'm doing it well hopefully always but i'm doing exactly, i i hope i'm i'm exactly where the lord wants me so um yeah so i'm still looking but uh you know, um with the you know towards the end of the year people stop kind of doing stuff and uh um.
Speaker 3 01:42:10
and so uh you know so it's kind of a new year people are starting to ramp up again so i'm i'm starting to look again so um you know and we'll see but but you're doing okay, yeah yeah no i'm look do i have preferences yes you know um but uh. Whatever the Lord would have of me, that's what will happen, you know. 
Speaker 12 01:42:39
Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right there. And how are the kids, I bet you, if I saw them, I would recognize them. They've grown up so much.
Speaker 3 01:42:55
Yeah, well, they're good. They're good. Do you remember seeing them on Christmas when we called you on the iPad? Did I? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, but that's okay. The nice thing about you being with Dad now is, you know, we can do that more often. You can see them.
Speaker 12 01:43:25
Whenever, yes, that is nice. That is nice. I mean. I just thank the Lord for providing. And, I mean, everything happened so fast that I would have been left. But anyhow.
Speaker 3 01:43:52
Yeah, well, it's like anything, Grandma. You know, he doesn't always take care of us in the way that we want him to. Like, you know, nobody wants to live with my dad. But that's the way the Lord provided.
Speaker 12 01:44:07
And I'm very, very grateful.
Speaker 3 01:44:12
Very, very grateful. I couldn't pass up an opportunity to take a shot at my dad. That's all. So, but no, he loves you very, very much.
Speaker 12 01:44:24
Yes, and I love him very, very much, too. So, um... I'm very very grateful very very grateful so but it's nice to hear your.
Speaker 3 01:44:40
voice again likewise grandma so are you so my dad and I were talking about bunk.
Speaker 12 01:44:49
beds for you and grandma Duvall let's say yeah say that again I said my dad.
Speaker 3 01:44:57
and I were talking about bunk beds for you and grandma Duvall what bunk beds you know the bunk beds like the like the kids have where one's on top of the other no you know when when I was growing up I had a bed and I was I was.
Speaker 3 01:45:29
on the top, and sean was on the bottom oh yeah and i had to climb up a little ladder in order to get to my bed. and so those are called bunk beds oh bunk bunk okay yeah so i was i was telling my dad, that he should he should put a bunk bed in for you and grandma duvall but we we can't we can't.
Speaker 3 01:46:03
possibly expect you to climb up the ladder or her to climb up the ladder so we would have to put in a catapult system but it's dangerous because you hit the wall so we have to put up a, mattress on the wall and then a mattress on the bed.
Speaker 12 01:46:30
well maybe you should have you you should try it first definitely i would love that i i'm sure that.
Speaker 3 01:46:37
i'm sure that my all of my boys would try it too nothing's too good for my grandma well thank you.
Speaker 12 01:46:46
thank you thank you very much and i mean and how are the boys doing they're doing well they're.
Speaker 3 01:46:56
they're uh you know so i i got a week almost like a week and a half off of work um with them and so, um you know it was uh you know i got a lot of time to spend with them and so it was it was very busy but uh, you know my matthew's teacher sent me an email saying hey it sounds like you guys have a.
Speaker 3 01:47:29
wonderful uh christmas break so i was like oh that's good because we didn't really do anything so i'm glad let me together yeah i mean well there's a lot that goes on it was eric's birthday you know and we so we we had some family over for that and we had a couple you know a couple family events but you know largely we didn't we didn't do a lot um but uh oh he.
Speaker 12 01:48:04
didn't come or anything what do you mean what do you mean by who's he no for a moment i forgot, Ah, who Bryce is.
Speaker 3 01:48:23
Oh, no, Bryce, Bryce, no, Bryce was, is Eric a son. He wasn't there, but Eric, it was, it was Eric's birthday, and, and Matthew, Matthew's teacher said that Matthew had said that we had a really good break, and we did a lot of great things. So, he, he, uh, he must have enjoyed his time at home with, with his brothers and his...
Speaker 12 01:48:54
Wow, that's good. That's good, and, and how is, um, uh, Sean doing. 
Speaker 3 01:49:04
Sean's doing well. He, uh, he, you know, I actually just talked to him, I don't know, I called him, I had a quick question for him, but I talked to him for... about an hour and a half ago um so he's doing well he actually he preached um a couple weeks ago, um in fact i should get dad to it's on youtube so i haven't finished watching it but i should get.
Speaker 3 01:49:35
dad to uh to put the sermon up for you so you can see sean preach oh wow that would be good.
Speaker 12 01:49:44
good but do you does he ever come over for christmas um sean is actually going over there, in a couple weeks in a couple of weeks yeah oh and is she coming too no.
Speaker 3 01:50:05
no no and the baby is the baby coming i i don't think so um i don't think i don't think she would allow the baby to come uh to be out of her sight for that long yeah yeah yes but he he's cute isn't.
Speaker 12 01:50:27
he yes he's very cute well it's it would be so nice to see him i mean i i haven't seen him in, in ages since i was go ahead since i was out of the way i mean right um.
Speaker 3 01:50:55
yeah so you'll you'll be able to see him and then i'm sure that he can um maybe do a uh, a facetime video and you can see uh the little one well that would be very very nice.
Speaker 12 01:51:11
that would be very nice and uh that's the little one recognize you as you oh yeah.
Speaker 3 01:51:21
yeah um he's you know he he's just got mama and dada and ball so he doesn't have me yet you know but we're uh they they uh they always make comments about how how well he takes to me, you know that is good so because when he came you know normally he's he's in the beginnings very.
Speaker 3 01:51:55
fidgety like not fidgety but very um you know he clings to mama you know and so i walked out, And I got down on my knee, you know, and I said, give me a hug. And he walked up and he gave me like a really good hug. And so I was like, all right, buddy, let's go, you know. And then we played swords together and, you know, we hung out for a bit. And then the boys took over and played with them.
Speaker 12 01:52:28
Well, I'm glad that he keeps up with the family.
Speaker 3 01:52:33
Yeah, Sean's pretty good about like, he was pretty adamant about coming over for Christmas. And then, so he and Ashley and Augustine came over for Christmas Day. And then he came. So then, you know, Eric's birthday is on the 28th. So Sean came back for Eric's birthday, but it was just Sean.
Speaker 12 01:53:03
And have the boys grown a lot. 
Speaker 3 01:53:07
Yeah, yeah, Eric's just passed Ashley Ann. So Eric's, you know, 5'3". Oh, uh-huh. So he's getting there and Ben's a couple inches shorter than him, but Ben and him weigh the same amount. Ben's, you know, Ben's thicker.
Speaker 12 01:53:29
Mm-hmm. And I remember you guys saying, Grandma, we're so short. I said, look at your feet, boys. Yeah. Look at your feet.
Speaker 3 01:53:46
Well, that's the thing. Ben and Eric wear the same size shoe.
Speaker 12 01:53:51
Oh, oh my.
Speaker 3 01:53:54
So, you know, I think Ben's going to be a big boy, you know. Because I remember, you know, Corey always had like a little pooch, you know. We used to make fun of him. And then one day he shot up and there was no more pooch, you know.
Speaker 12 01:54:12
Yeah, yeah. Well, I think you guys have a wonderful physique.
Speaker 3 01:54:25
Yeah, I'm not complaining, so.
Speaker 12 01:54:28
No, well, you have nothing to complain about. Exactly, exactly. So, and how is work. 
Speaker 3 01:54:40
Work's going well. You know, we're, we're getting to a point where, you know, Corey kind of backs away and lets me do a lot of my own stuff. And so I'm trying to, now I'm trying to kind of lock everything down in a way that we can, uh, grow it. So, um, but, uh, you know, I'm, I still, you know, I need to get him to trust me a little bit more, but, you know, so he can give me some more responsibility.
Speaker 3 01:55:18
But it's, it's, uh, we're getting there.
Speaker 12 01:55:24
Well, that's good. It's, it seems to be one of his, well, I don't know what to say.
Speaker 3 01:55:37
He doesn't trust anybody. It's one of his faults. And he's not, and he's not a good leader. Um, so, but, you know, my hope is, is that when I leave, um, you know, if I leave, Lord willing, that, you know, everything is kind of put in place for him. So, um, you know, we'll see. We'll see.
Speaker 12 01:56:12
Yeah. Well, you have done a good job. You didn't, did you ever think you were going to be doing that. 
Speaker 3 01:56:22
No. Um, but I also never thought that it would be this difficult. Um, you know, um, yeah. And, um. you know I never thought it would take me this long to do to be successful at this it's never taken me this long to be successful at something but you know.
Speaker 3 01:56:53
well God what's growing you up I think so and you know something like this is is you know what's funny is my dad told me in the beginning you know culture change happens in two years and you know and I said yeah but I can fix it you know I don't need two years to fix this and you know sure enough it took two years so but it took me a year to convince Corey that I was on that you.
Speaker 3 01:57:28
know that that he was on the wrong path and he had the wrong guys and then it took me two years to rebuild the guys so.
Speaker 12 01:57:38
you know but when you when you leave you leave it organized it's my hope yeah that's what i'm.
Speaker 3 01:57:45
working on so are you are you looking for something yeah yeah i'm actively looking and, um so so far um people like me but they don't like uh people like me but they don't um they want me to have the specific experience that of the industry that they're in so it's like oh you have.
Speaker 3 01:58:16
to you know i know you know how to you know you're you're good in manufacturing but you have to be know how to manufacture the thing that we make it's like well you know well everybody has to.
Speaker 12 01:58:31
start somewhere.
Speaker 3 01:58:34
Yeah. And, but the problem is that, you know, it's just weird. It's been weird this whole time where, you know, I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm willing to, you know, I've told people, it's like, I'm willing to take a pay cut. I'm willing to earn my way in, you know, um, but just haven't gotten there yet. So we shall see. Lord has a plan.
Speaker 3 01:59:23
She's doing well. She's doing well. She's, uh, you know. Her company has kind of just turned a page in their book, if you will, and so before, it was like, you know, she kind of felt like she wasn't doing anything and she would say,
Speaker 3 01:59:53
you know, she'd tell her boss like, hey, you know, don't fire me because I'm not, you know, I know I'm not doing anything, but I can't do anything based on what you guys have asked me to do. No, no, you're fine. You're fine. Just wait for it. Wait for it. And then they announced that they were buying a new company and they said, okay, here's everything you've been asking for. Go get it. And so, um, so now all of a sudden she's got to kind of get, get to work, you know, so,
Speaker 3 02:00:29
so the Lord's always done a really obvious job. taking care of her. It's always been. She'd get freaked out. She'd go, I'm not going to read my numbers and this, this, and this. Hey, who decides this stuff? You were the Lord. He does. And the next thing you know, it's, hey, wouldn't you believe it? I just got a phone call from so-and-so and they want a debt. You know, and it's like, we do this.
Speaker 3 02:01:04
every year, babe. You know, you freak out. I tell you to wait for it. It happens. And how are the boys doing? The boys are doing well. They, uh, they're continuing to grow and, um, they're, they're, uh, you know, I'm starting to, Eric's, you know, 14 now. So, it's, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 02:01:38
working with him because he's you know he's kind of as that teenager i want to do what i want to do but also you know like the other day he sat down on the couch like right next to me like like on top of me touching and everything and uh i put my arm around him and he kind of snuggled in and and it was like huh he doesn't do this often you know this is bleeding so don't don't move.
Speaker 3 02:02:15
don't mess anything up you know yeah you know so it's uh it's it's cool and then you know i'm still trying to unlock ben but i think i'm doing a better job of it each day.
Speaker 12 02:02:38
so they're so different aren't they oh they're night and day and it's an experience.
Speaker 3 02:02:54
yeah you know and maddie i think matthew is is it's like you know in many ways i think he's he's got a lot of my traits but with my wife's spunkiness you know he's kind of like the little little engineering but with the social understanding of ashleyann you know it kind of it's like.
Speaker 3 02:03:41
to him, maybe I'll put my face close to him, and I'm like, hey, you know, here's what I'm thinking, da-da, I need you to pay attention, are you understanding me, are we on the same page here, and he'll just look at me, and then he'll go, and he'll touch my nose, and it'll go, boop, you know, and it's like, why, you know, and he'll just give you this smile, like, because that's who I am, you know.
Speaker 12 02:04:14
Um, well, they're so different, aren't they? They are. And, and, uh, how, are they growing? Yeah.
Speaker 3 02:04:35
Eric, Eric just passed Ashley Ann. you know not far behind eric yeah so and how are their feet they're they're bigger i mean they're they're you know i look at their feet because you know but it's i don't have anything to go off of really you know um but uh you know i i'm not too worried about how they'll be i know how it was.
Speaker 3 02:05:12
with me and so i i uh just kind of you know i've told them it's like hey either you're gonna be short or you're gonna be tall one of those whatever the lord wants that's exactly what.
Speaker 12 02:05:27
you're gonna be yeah well i remember you used to complain that you were so, and i'd say look at your feet boys look at your feet because you you had big feet so, there was no way you just grew a little a little uh slower then and then all of a sudden you.
Speaker 3 02:05:52
shot him yeah so you know if uh that's the way that happens sounds good to me yeah yeah well.
Speaker 12 02:06:08
you boys are you boys i'm going to say wonderful wonderful god god has has blessed you, very much in every way very much true okay so did you have a nice christmas yeah um.
Speaker 3 02:06:42
yeah um you know it was so christmas eve we did uh we went over to the studios and they they uh, you know we had her extended family over so ashland's cousins i was gonna say they're significant others but only one of them was married so um and that's always nice they come.
Speaker 3 02:07:15
over every year i like them i get along with them and uh it was it was different because i think when did wanda die her you know wanda her sister passed away and so her kids are still coming, but i want to say this was the first or this is probably i think this was the second first or.
Speaker 3 02:07:46
second maybe it was the first christmas without wanda so a little bit different but you know i'm glad that they're still coming there was a bit of a you know there was a bit of some turmoil in the beginning because larry was the executor of the will and it was like you know one of one of the.
Speaker 3 02:08:21
daughters went and knowing that she was only had a couple days left to live went and bought a whole bunch of stuff on the credit cards on the mom's credit card so it's like you know, Larry, so then the daughter's like, hey, you know, how much money do I get, you know, and it's like, well, you, you can't, you know, you spent it all on the credit cards, we're paying off the credit cards with it, so, you know, she was not happy, I couldn't imagine, so we weren't sure if they were gonna, you know, if they were gonna come, but they came, it was, uh, it was all good, so you had it at home, uh, so it's always at the.
Speaker 3 02:09:22
Sidio's house for Christmas Eve, and then we do Christmas at our house, but we just do it low-key, so, um, Larry and Stephanie will come over, and, and watch the kids unwrap the presents and everything and then they go over to, danielle and brian's house and then we just hang out and then sean came a little bit later and we did a dinner together and did she come yeah she came that's good that's good yeah she doesn't.
Speaker 3 02:09:60
she doesn't get a choice when it comes to uh holidays sean sean is very adamant about that.
Speaker 12 02:10:05
and the baby and the baby came he he's cute isn't he he is he's very cool well that's good that you you you had a wonderful christmas uh and all of a sudden we're on regular basis i mean.
Speaker 3 02:10:37
Say that again.
Speaker 12 02:10:41
Say that again. 
Speaker 3 02:10:43
Oh, I didn't catch what you said, so I was asking what you said.
Speaker 12 02:10:47
Well, life is normal again.
Speaker 3 02:10:51
Yeah. And it's nice because it gets crazy. I like structure. I like going to work.
Speaker 12 02:11:05
Oh, you do? You do. 
Speaker 3 02:11:07
Yeah. I like, you know, I always get, whenever I'm off for more than a few days, I get, you, know, I itch. I need to get back to work.
Speaker 12 02:11:18
So, are you enjoying it now. 
Speaker 3 02:11:23
Um, yeah, I mean, it is what it is, you know, but I mean, I enjoy, you know, i want to do different but what i do i do to the best of my abilities and i try to have fun while i'm doing it oh i think the phone i think the phone shifted grandma the what something changed.
Speaker 12 02:12:04
on the phone sorry oh i can't hear you as well there you are oh okay okay so it's it's okay now.
Speaker 3 02:12:16
yeah i can hear you well now so okay um so how do you like uh staying in south carolina well.
Speaker 12 02:12:36
I'm sorry, they've been so good to me, and so beautiful, and it's all been so fast and so, but I'm very comfortable here, thank God, and of course they're very nice, especially Rod is very attentive, and I appreciate their kindness.
Speaker 12 02:13:18
And it's nice to be with Mom too, also. So, I'm sorry, but I'm still, I'm still, it's still, it's still new. Yeah. so so but i i have no definitely no complaints so and the dog is sleeping at my feet now.
Speaker 12 02:13:54
so but i have been thinking that i mean i'm taking up so much room that i hope there's plenty of room for you guys to come we'll figure it out we're coming one way or the other so.
Speaker 12 02:14:31
I wouldn't worry about it and my dad's got a good plan that he's putting together. So I think I think it'll be just fine. Yeah, he's adept. So day by day. After all, I'm 96 now. Can you believe? Yeah. What year were you born? 29. So I was the sick one of the family. But I'm the one that outlasted.
Speaker 3 02:15:31
Well, yeah, because, you know, God had to build you up early.
Speaker 12 02:16:17
I've been thinking, I don't know why I've been thinking about that. He had, what do you call it, the courage to do this and to do that and to do the other. So it was very interesting. You never knew where you were going to be.
Speaker 12 02:16:48
I remember I was in Argentina, and I was reading the Bible. Who shall I send and who shall go? And I said, Lord, here I am, send me. And he said, where would you want to send me? Send me wherever you want. A few hours later, the phone rings and says, how would you like to do with the pain in Sweden? I'm so...
Speaker 12 02:17:21
but anyhow those were songs that were going in my mind that's why i'm mentioning them but but, anyhow uh so it's i mean haven't the boys grown a lot yep yep they're they're like weeds.
Speaker 3 02:17:51
and the little one too yeah yeah he's you know he's uh he's uh yeah he's he's growing he's still he's not big he's still pretty light but uh but he's if you watch him play soccer he's fierce, So, you know, there's this video that I, that I keep of him where he, uh, had this kid, this kid keeps on, you know, being super physical and pushing all the, all the boys on the other, on, on Maddie's team.
Speaker 3 02:18:48
And then you see Maddie, he goes to get the ball and, and he collides with this, the other kid on their team and the guy, you know, falls over to the ground. And then, but, but as he's falling, he, the ball goes to another kid on his team. And so Maddie goes after him and he, he, and, and they go shoulder to shoulder and the other kid goes flying.
Speaker 3 02:19:22
And then about 10 minutes later in the game, the kid that was being, and he was one of the guys that went flying, the kid gets the ball and, uh, and he, he starts, he makes a move and he gets past Maddie and Maddie chases him down. And, and, and, you know, Maddie understands defensive tactics so well.
Speaker 3 02:19:55
Things I've been trying to teach his brothers that Maddie does automatically. And, uh, and so there's, when you're, when you're defending somebody, the best thing you can do to take the ball away from them is just to step in front of them. So you step in between the ball and the person. And when you go and you put your leg there, it keeps their legs from going. And so you essentially just kind of insert yourself. But Matty did this so quickly and at a weird angle that when he put his hand through, his elbow hit the guy square in the face.
Speaker 3 02:20:33
Oh, my. And so he takes the ball and the kid just drops down. And you see it all on camera. And Matty starts dribbling. And you see Matty look back because he realizes that the kid went down. And he's like, oh, well. And he keeps on going. And the kid, you know, and the kid is down for the next five minutes in the game. And he's like, Dad, I don't want to play anymore. I don't want to play anymore.
Speaker 3 02:21:06
So, you know, I'm messing with him. And I'm like, Matty, what happened with that kid? And he goes, I don't know, Dad. I got the ball from him. I didn't even touch him. And he went down. And I'm like, Matty. you you got him and he's like no i don't think so dad you know i would have felt it and so i found it on the video and i showed it to him and he goes oh well that happens in soccer.
Speaker 3 02:21:37
so that's natural to the game yeah yeah so then all the dads were were sending me uh the video you know of him doing it like man your son's you know your son's crazy you know because, maddie's the smallest kid on the team you know but he's the most fierce and so how old is he now.
Speaker 12 02:22:02
he's 10 10 well so so uh it's time to look at your feet.
Speaker 3 02:22:14
Yeah, he's got plenty of he's got plenty of time to grow. So yeah.
Speaker 12 02:22:22
It's it's incredible how big your kids are. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, they've got good blood running in them. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Well. It's nice to see them grow. Isn't it? Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 02:22:52
I enjoy them thoroughly. I love them very very much. I love watching I love watching them play. I love watching them grow, They are a blessing almost as much as my wife is.
Speaker 12 02:23:09
Yes, Well, you know, some people get involved in their work and their ambitions and whatever and don't pay that much attention, but I'm glad that you have your heart in the right place.
Speaker 3 02:23:26
I'm trying. I'm actually pulling up to one of my suppliers. I've got to go inside and get a bunch of parts.
Speaker 12 02:23:39
But I'm so glad you called. I'm so glad you called. Nice talking to you. Love you very much. It was my pleasure, Grandma. I love you too.
Speaker 3 02:23:53
If he doesn't take care of you, you call me and I'll fix it for you, okay. 
Speaker 12 02:23:58
Okay, but he's good, and I love him. Okay. He's doing a good job. All right. Well, thank you for calling, and I enjoyed it very much, and you have a good, good evening.
Speaker 3 02:24:12
You do the same, Grandma. Love you.
Speaker 12 02:24:15
Love you, too. All right. Bye-bye.
Speaker 3 02:25:21
I got a will call order trying to give you a phone number [REDACTED_PHONE] there's two orders.
Speaker 2 02:26:16
For the mortar beds, you want to go around back and get them? Sure. Do you have a funnel. 
Speaker 3 02:26:24
That's a count. Okay, so with the covers as well? Yeah. Okay, cool. Thank you.
Speaker 3 02:28:50
birthday on my calendar already. But that's good to know. I will need to figure that one out.

[AI_SUMMARY]
The discussion covers theological insights on marriage, emphasizing the importance of vulnerability, affirmation, and interdependence to achieve "one-fleshness." It highlights the complementary roles of husbands and wives, modeled after Christ's relationship with the church. The conversation also addresses U.S. politics, focusing on the Republican Party's strategy for upcoming elections, the impact of Somali community fraud on Democrats, and the evolving media relations under the Trump administration. Personal updates include family dynamics, career challenges, and reflections on faith and growth.